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freesoul

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1694 gold antique
« on: February 13, 2018, 05:39:50 PM »
hi,

we have this 1694 Italian gold antique bracelet





its registered antique with full paper & documents.

Q1: please let me know about the average price
Q2: any advice/help to find a serious buyer are welcome.

regards,
thank you.

Pelady

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Re: 1694 gold antique
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2018, 06:20:35 PM »
Lot of question for you:
What is the weight of the piece?
Size?  Dimensions?  Length?
What Karat Gold?  10, 14, 18, etc ?
Where are you located? Markets vary by location

Plymouth, America's Home Town.

freesoul

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Re: 1694 gold antique
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2018, 06:35:46 PM »
Lot of question for you:
What is the weight of the piece?
Size?  Dimensions?  Length?
What Karat Gold?  10, 14, 18, etc ?
Where are you located? Markets vary by location

24k gold & 45g of weight
and i am currently located in Egypt.

mart

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Re: 1694 gold antique
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2018, 06:42:55 PM »
Can we see the papers you have ??

freesoul

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Re: 1694 gold antique
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2018, 06:51:45 PM »
Can we see the papers you have ??

sorry, that is not a thing that i would post/send.
it is a registered antique under the name of my family
i have legal rights to travel with it through airport.
i can sell in uk/usa/france and anywhere else.
i have the full rights to sell it

just please let me know about the average price of today's market.

regards,
thank you.

Pelady

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Re: 1694 gold antique
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2018, 09:53:01 PM »
Just the scrap weight us is $1923.30 USD  $42.74 a gram today. 
Not counting any of its Antique or historic value

Since  Senatore Veneto is Italian, Italy would probably be your best market
Plymouth, America's Home Town.

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Re: 1694 gold antique
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2018, 02:34:42 AM »
Hi, may I ask on which base this is dated to 1694?

mart

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Re: 1694 gold antique
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2018, 08:34:19 AM »
Can we see the papers you have ??

sorry, that is not a thing that i would post/send.
it is a registered antique under the name of my family
i have legal rights to travel with it through airport.
i can sell in uk/usa/france and anywhere else.
i have the full rights to sell it

just please let me know about the average price of today's market.

regards,
thank you.

Papers and documents are frequently faked and mean virtually nothing !!  We have the same problem here !!  Someone must have signed the documentation,, have you checked that person !!  Often it will be an auction house that doesn`t exist on more than a website !!  That is why we asked to see the papers !!  Also,,have you taken this item to have it double checked with a jeweler ?? 

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Re: 1694 gold antique
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2018, 08:55:41 AM »
Seriously doubt itís that old. The depiction of the Lion Of St Mark, the chromolitho like pictures, the text / font used...all wrong for the 17th century.

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Re: 1694 gold antique
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2018, 09:25:06 AM »
Yes, I agree with Ipcress on that, that is why I asked on what the date is based...

freesoul

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Re: 1694 gold antique
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2018, 09:32:21 AM »
Seriously doubt itís that old. The depiction of the Lion Of St Mark, the chromolitho like pictures, the text / font used...all wrong for the 17th century.

well, that's a very good thing that you don't believe your eyes ^_^ ... that only means higher value !!

that bracelet is a gift from francesco morosini to our grandmother before 300+ years ago.
we own it since that time, it is registered antique at my ministry of antiquities in egypt.

any ideas about the value are welcome, thanks

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Re: 1694 gold antique
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2018, 12:05:28 PM »
Seriously doubt itís that old. The depiction of the Lion Of St Mark, the chromolitho like pictures, the text / font used...all wrong for the 17th century.

well, that's a very good thing that you don't believe your eyes ^_^ ... that only means higher value !!

that bracelet is a gift from francesco morosini to our grandmother before 300+ years ago.
we own it since that time, it is registered antique at my ministry of antiquities in egypt.

any ideas about the value are welcome, thanks

Francesco Morosini (26 February 1619 Ė 16 January 1694) was the Doge of Venice from 1688 to 1694, at the height of the Great Turkish War. He was a member of a famous noble Venetian family (the Morosini family) which produced several Doges and generals. He "dressed always in red from top to toe and never went into action without his cat beside him on the poop.

Senatore Veneto translates to Senator of Venice.  With that being said, in 1694, Francesco Morosini would have been titled Doge or even possibly Duke but not Senator.  What I find odd, is that you did not mention the history of the bracelet previously as this would be a unique selling point. 

And, if you are aware of the history then you would know about events after his death is 1694.  After his death in 1694, a large marble arch was placed in his honor at the Doge's Palace, while his cat óof which Morosini was notably fondó was embalmed and taken to the Museo Correr.  If I had papers indicating this was an antique bracelet, then I would contact the museum in Venice.  His stuffed cat may be found in the Museum Correr.  Why would you post the bracelet in an antique forum?

Would you please send us better pictures of the bracelet and provide the "antique documentation" with your family name covered up?  Without this information, we have no idea what you really have.  If you cannot do this, we cannot help you.  Thank you.


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Re: 1694 gold antique
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2018, 01:24:21 PM »
Can you provide a picture of the clasp please? Quite often looking at the clasp is an easy way to date jewelry.
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Re: 1694 gold antique
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2018, 04:29:50 PM »
At best since it can not be authenticated, value would be same as scrap value if it is indeed gold with little added !! 

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Re: 1694 gold antique
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2018, 04:35:08 PM »
Dang, what's goin on over here? weird thread!