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Title: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: ANTIQUERAIDERS on August 30, 2012, 02:33:51 PM
I am not a porcelain expert so was hoping you guys can help out.

It looks to me as porcelain hand painted with brass metal work.

On the bottom of the metal it reads " L. henry"

There is also a blue symbol on the bottom of lid. I am attaching the pictures with the hopes that you guys can help me appraise this.

She wants 25 dollars for it, is it worth it?
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: ANTIQUERAIDERS on August 30, 2012, 02:36:12 PM
some more pics
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: KC on August 30, 2012, 03:14:50 PM
Hi! I am hoping that the resident expert, of Porcelain Marks & More will show up here and help out.

Sevres is one of the most copied/faked set of marks out there.  AND I don't see this in their original marks.

This is a variation of a crossed swords mark.

Here's hoping Chris will pipe in!

Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: ANTIQUERAIDERS on August 30, 2012, 03:50:04 PM
I did google the urn... and did come up with Sevres but still not sure whether authentic or not. Thanks for some details
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: mart on August 30, 2012, 04:02:54 PM
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/rare-sevres-l-henry-french-bronze-ormolu-gold-urns
look carefully on the porcelain for a signature !! I checked several listings and l.henry did the bronze work for some of Sevres porcelain urns !!  seems they are pretty pricey if if real Sevres but some pieces have been repro`d !!  The artist name would help !!
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: antiquesnsuch on August 30, 2012, 07:34:12 PM
From what I see it does look like a repro but I do have to say if you have a shop that doesn't just sell antiques it would be a good buy at $25.
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: bbc-antiques.co.uk on August 31, 2012, 02:26:48 AM
Try Sampson  they imitated similar pieces
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: mart on August 31, 2012, 06:14:56 AM
i would buy it even if repro !!  but make sure if it is or not !!
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: bigwull on August 31, 2012, 07:10:40 AM
Me too....whats the sellers address!!! :D
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: ANTIQUERAIDERS on September 04, 2012, 01:29:23 PM
I bought it for 25 bucks ... now to authenticate it.... Any suggestions where?
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: bigwull on September 04, 2012, 04:05:43 PM
I think we have been here before???
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: mart on September 04, 2012, 07:06:44 PM
i was looking today for the crossed baton mark but havent found the right one yet !!  can you tell what that mark is above the cross ?? and a good pic of the L.Henry will help !! couldnt see the other one !!
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: mart on September 10, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
bumping this up in case Chris comes back !!
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: mart on September 11, 2012, 08:02:29 AM
bump again since Chris missed it !!
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: Chris_Marshall on September 11, 2012, 10:34:55 AM
Quick shot at this one: might be the pics, but the color of the bronze (and the impression of the Henry signature) is far off in a way that may imply a repro. The metal parts are just too 'clean' (no dirt rubs, scuffing, etc.) for an item of age.

The Henry foundry did a lot of work for various artists, which in a way makes a "good ID" near impossible as all references refer to the decorator of the porcelain and ignore the "hardware" base. Exactly that is the reason for which such items are then targeted by repro artists: no normal person can really come up with background facts.

Finally, I had a thorough look at my material regarding French manufacturers and decorators - none of them showed such a mark. So either my material is insufficient (as French material is not my cup of tea) or the mark is a made-up repro mark.
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: mart on September 11, 2012, 11:26:56 AM
i could not find any reference to this mark either !!  base did not look like any of the henry bronze pieces but was similar in style !! yet it is signed so do you think repro or just plain old fake ??
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: ANTIQUERAIDERS on September 11, 2012, 01:35:10 PM
Update: brought the piece to Christies Auctions... have a friend that works there... who directed me to someone who can help. So this is a reproduction, however, apparently a really "good" reproduction. What also made me question the piece is the fact that it doesnt show much age. Anyway, for $25... I was advised that this was a good buy even though its a reproduction, they too can  be pricey. Thanks for all the assistance from here 
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: KC on September 11, 2012, 02:06:33 PM
Thanks everyone for the venture!

Thanks for the followup Antiqueraiders!
Title: Re: Someone brought in this porcelain piece
Post by: mart on September 11, 2012, 02:16:57 PM
this was a really confusing piece !! but a nice end !!  i would have bought it at that price !!