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Title: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: kevincurious on October 27, 2012, 07:02:10 am
Her name is Chaja Polak. Lives in Amsterdam. She is a holocaust survivor. Wish I could at least find out more info on her sketch. I can't download the sketch yet, but will try to. Just curious if sketches of the holocaust is valueable?
Thank you,
Kevin
Title: Re: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: artx on October 27, 2012, 08:07:58 am
hi,
in 1983 she presented her paintings at the Museum Ghetto Fighters in israel.
 I tried to see if her paintings were sold in israel but i found just a little information on her.

here some link: http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh/notebook_ext.asp?book=23136&lang=eng&site=gfh

i will try to find more info about her sketch.
Title: Re: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: KC on October 27, 2012, 09:14:40 am
She is also a writer!  They even sell her books on Amazon - stories of Holocaust survival.  Here is a blurb on her (must have it translated to read using some program on internet).  Pretty dark/morbid subjects in describing her works of a particular book.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.9types.com/movieboard/messages/7804.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dholocaust%2Bsurvivor,%2BChaja%2BPolak%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DcxT%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Dimvnso&sa=X&ei=5fiLUOSuKIf42QXCp4HwAw&ved=0CCcQ7gEwAA (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.9types.com/movieboard/messages/7804.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dholocaust%2Bsurvivor,%2BChaja%2BPolak%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DcxT%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Dimvnso&sa=X&ei=5fiLUOSuKIf42QXCp4HwAw&ved=0CCcQ7gEwAA)

However, my better half grew up with a neighbor who is a survivor and only survived with a sister...and she wrote a book about it.  She and her family went through hell many times over the years trying to work through her childhood nightmare.
Title: Re: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: bigwull on October 27, 2012, 09:52:22 am
Its a very Evocative subject,...and always will be....I visited Auschwitz...in 2005...I had been to the Ukraine...visiting my Aunt and Uncle, and on the way home....i decided to visit, Auschwitz-Birkenau...and its memory will live with me for ever......I can honestly say..that,it takes a lot to make me cry....suffice to say...i shed many tears that day....
Title: Re: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: kevincurious on October 27, 2012, 09:54:45 am
Thank you all for the input. I downloaded a photo of her sketch called 'Dreams'. I bought it at an auction 2 yrs ago. From what I found, she made this sketch as a personal moment in her life describing the feelings of what is was like for her during the holocaust. I can't find anything about her sketch. On numerous websites of her, this sketch or drawing is never mentioned. Maybe then it was meant to be just a personal memento? I don't know how valuable it would be. I'm just dumbfounded that I cannot get any info about this sketch. I did contact the previous owner of this sketch, but she said she knew the same info as I did. So curious.
Title: Re: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: mart on October 27, 2012, 10:07:18 am
From a personal perspective,, I don`t see how anyone could put a dollar value on something like that !! Donate it to the Holocaust Museum !!
Title: Re: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: bigwull on October 27, 2012, 10:45:56 am
Well said Mart!!
Title: Re: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: KC on October 27, 2012, 10:03:00 pm
I like that idea as well Mart!!!!!
Title: Re: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: greenacres on October 28, 2012, 08:45:31 am
My son went to Dachau in college and I've read many, many books of tragic stories. Ellie Wiesel has several good books. Very painful times, scarey we are still living in a time where jews still live on the brink of destruction and people haven't evolved.
Title: Re: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: bigwull on October 28, 2012, 09:08:14 am
As much as I abhor.what happened to the Jews during the Holocaust,...I do not see them as being on the brink of destruction...they  are far too powerful a nation,now, and they are a Nuclear nation....but what they have been  doing to the Palestinians....sin ce 1947...when Britain gave them Palestine..because no one else wanted them,....beggers belief at times.....
Title: Re: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: greenacres on October 28, 2012, 10:47:41 am
Have you ever been to Israel? Did you ever see the size of the country? They are surrounded by hatered. Scary place to live! My daughter lived there for 3 months and I worried everyday! Extremes of anything are no good. Yes, they are strong, but they have to be. If the Palestinians would help themselves and learn to build Palestine and educate their people and evolve on their own instead of breeding hatered  they would be a happier people. I don't see their fellow Arabs helping them either, so why blame Israel. They have been terrorizing by Israel for years. Nothing is ever enough! The sad part is that everyone fights among themselves. Can't we all just get along.
Title: Re: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: bigwull on October 28, 2012, 11:18:39 am
No, I have not been to Israel...but i have read enough  books and taken an interest in this part of the world...as i have some friends who are from Palestine...and my home town is twinned with Nablus in Palestine......this hatred of the Jews just does,nt stem from them being there....it goes back thousands of years..After world war 2,,,The Allies did,nt help matters any..all these displaced Jews, had nowhere to go...none of the countries from which they fled persecution wanted them back,..so in 1945 there were all these Jews with nowhere to go,.Britain did,nt want them, nor the USA, or Russia, almost every country world wide turned their backs,so in 1947 the British allowed them to occupy Palestine...and all the Palestinians were shunted into Gaza,...there are two sides to every coin....
Title: Re: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: greenacres on October 28, 2012, 01:55:52 pm
Yes, but if you read history the Jews were there first. The Romans tried killing all the Jews there and burned down their temples. The ones who could flee did. Nowhere in history were the Arabs mentioned during those times. The Romans then took over that area. In Spain the Spanish Inquisition killed all the Jews and stole all their belongings too! Many converted to Catholism and practiced in secret.
Title: Re: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: KC on October 28, 2012, 03:37:34 pm
We have Jewish friends in Russia and they are even treated badly from Russian Govt because they aren't full Russian (even tho' their parents moved there and they were born there).  My adopted children from Russia are 1/2 Russian and 1/2 Kazakh and they were treated "less than" as well by the government even tho' they were born there - we had to fight to adopt them because the government preferred us to adopt "the more desirable Russian children" as was put to us.  Even more why we wanted to love the children who weren't wanted.  Took 6 years and 3 trips!  They are now fabulous successful young adults!!!

I wish we could all get along as well.........
Title: Re: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: greenacres on October 28, 2012, 05:55:08 pm
Your children are very lucky! :)
Title: Re: HOLOCAUST SKETCH
Post by: artx on October 30, 2012, 06:46:46 am
bigwull Have you ever asked yourself who open the war in 1948? Have you ever asked yourself who not Who did not accept the UN Partition Agreement,Have you ever asked yourself  who sends his children to explode a bus full of civilians?,
try to answer about this: Is the world just plain stupid?   
An interesting questionnaire  for Palestinian Advocates
By Yashiko Sagamori

If you are so sure that " Palestine , the country, goes back through most of recorded history," I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine :
 
 
1.  When was it founded and by whom?
 
 
2.  What were its borders?
 
 
3.  What was its capital?
 
 
4.  What were its major cities?
 
 
5.  What constituted the basis of its economy?
 
 
6.  What was its form of government?
 
 
7.  Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before  Arafat?
 
 
8..  Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
 
 
9.  What was the language of the country of Palestine ?
 
 
10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?
 
 
11. What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese Yuan on that date.
 
 
12. And, finally, since there is no such country today,  what caused its demise and when did it occur?
 
 
You are lamenting the "low sinking" of a "once proud" nation.. Please tell me, when exactly was that "nation" proud and what was it so proud of?
 
 
And here is the least sarcastic question of all: If the people you mistakenly call "Palestinians" are anything but generic Arabs collected from all over -- or thrown out of -- the Arab world, if they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day War?
 
 I hope you avoid the temptation to trace the modern day "Palestinians" to the Biblical Philistines: substituting etymology for history won't work here.
 
 
The truth should be obvious to everyone who wants to know it. Arab countries have never abandoned the dream of destroying Israel ; they still cherish it today. Having time and again failed to achieve their evil goal with military means, they decided to fight Israel by proxy. For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically called it "the Palestinian people" and installed it in Gaza , Judea, and Samaria . How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the "West Bank" and Gaza , respectively?
 
 
The fact is, Arabs populating Gaza, Judea, and Samaria have much less claim to nationhood than that Indian tribe that successfully emerged in Connecticut with the purpose of starting a tax-exempt casino: at least that tribe had a constructive goal that motivated them. The so-called "Palestinians" have only one motivation: the destruction of Israel , and in my book that is not sufficient to consider them a nation" -- or anything else except what they really are: a terrorist organization that will one day be dismantled.
 
In fact, there is only one way to achieve peace in the Middle East . Arab countries must acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have visited on it. The most appropriate form of such reparations would be the removal of their terrorist organization from the land of Israel and accepting Israel's ancient sovereignty over Gaza , Judea, and Samaria .     That will mark the end of the Palestinian people. What are you saying again was its beginning?