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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: dezertrzr on March 09, 2013, 06:05:26 pm
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Hi guys, Here`s a G.SCHROTER painting I have done a ton of research on and just haven't found a whole lot. It belonged to my grandmother so it`s ancient but when you start seeing staples on the back of the frame it makes me wonder. What do you think worth anything or junk? Just trying to figure out whats worth keeping! Thank you!
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Its pretty darn new so we will have to go on the artist !! Is it 16X20 or 14x18 ?? Canvas only, not frame !! Frame syle is 60`s or thereabout !!
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This artist doesn`t seem to be a listed one !! There is no name G. Schroter on either list that I checked !! He is a 20th century artist so your painting is likely late 50`s or 60`s !! In liiking at your closeup,, I am almost sure you have a Giclee print rather than an original art piece !! I can see colors and shading but no brush strokes !! Can you run your hand across it and see if you can feel any paint ridges even if slight ones ?? If it feels perfectly flat with nothing raised above the canvas,, its a giclee print !! This method reproduces everything except the brush strokes and is a common way for artists to make a living when people are not buying originals !! His work does not sell for much that I found !!
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Take a look at where I`m measuring, It comes out to 16x12 and the canvas is stapled to the sides of the outer frame. I came up with all kinds of crazy things about the name, He changed it, He was German, Then he was born in Asia. I give up! You can most definitely feel bumps from the paint, I took a few more pics paintings arent my thing to begin with and I give up! I have another one to!
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That shows some brush strokes at least !! G. Schroter from what found was a Dutch artist !! There are several with that name !! Let me check more tomorrow,, I am tired tonight !! Had company all day !!
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It looks like a Dutch scene. I don`t know I`m leaving it up to the experts I give up on this. And thanks for your help guys! I`ll take some pics of the other one tomorrow. Same deal different scene. ???
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is he this G Schroter?.....
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/9216508
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here,s another g schroter
http://www.artfact.com/auction-lot/g.-schroter-town-scene-30-c-195a0e193c
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Now we`re getting somewhere. Here`s something interesting I copied off artfact....
"Georg Schröter (1535-1586)
Aliases: Georg Schröder; Georg Schroter; Georg Schrotter"
"Professions: Sculptor" So the guy has three different names and he`s sculptor according to them. See why this drove me crazy! And it`s not the only thing I have that`s been illusive to get info on. Like I said hours of searching items. I`ll take some pics of the other one in a few.
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There seems to be varied opinions as to the value on works by the artist(s) of this name.
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/schroter-dutch-french-20th-original-245363125 (http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/schroter-dutch-french-20th-original-245363125)
Check out lot #460 here:
http://www.proxibid.com/asp/CatalogPrint.asp?aid=39474 (http://www.proxibid.com/asp/CatalogPrint.asp?aid=39474)
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He was not the sculptor !! Different Schroter !! Yours was a 20th century artist !! I looked at all those links !! You can find his pantings easy enough but most either didn`t sell or were priced way above market value !! Only one I found selling was at Goodwill !!
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There seems to be varied opinions as to the value on works by the artist(s) of this name.
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/schroter-dutch-french-20th-original-245363125 (http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/schroter-dutch-french-20th-original-245363125)
Check out lot #460 here:
http://www.proxibid.com/asp/CatalogPrint.asp?aid=39474 (http://www.proxibid.com/asp/CatalogPrint.asp?aid=39474)
Good grief! I the wood panel painting just like the one on worth point and it sold for around $4000. Then they say pass on lot #460 and THEN you got the guy asking $10 Grand! Alright I`m just going to ask $10,000 obo if anyone is interested. Lol ;D That`s why I gave up the search had enough!
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Asking and getting is totally different !! I looked through three more world lists and this guy is not there !! So this person was a 20th century artist, who sold a few but not nearly enough to be listed and his saving grace is that he painted in a similar style to other early Dutch artists !! Your stretcher frame and canvas is modern so it doesn`t have age on its side either !! Sorry but if you can get $300. to $500. you are doing well !! Take it to a gallery and see !!
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is he this G Schroter?.....
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/9216508
Now that`s the wood panel piece I was talking about, They say it sold for $1500...Once again it`s a bit odd but anywho here`s the other one. I think it`s hideous, Both of them! Same size just laid out lengthwise.
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You,re correct...if I did,nt know better I,d have to say that yours and this one were framed by the same person...either that..or its a mighty strange coincidence...that yours and this one have identical frames..but were done by two different people...."the plot thickens"...
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"the plot thickens"... You got that right! There`s just a whole bunch of weird going on with these paintings. Plus the names, Prices etc. I`m telling ya I searched forever I didn't just hop on this forum and post the easy way. I`ve got a couple more paintings I gave up on searching but they`re not going to be this hard. I hope.
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We're back in ' after ' territory here, to put it politely.
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I agree Ipcress !! Nice little mid century painting but nothing exceptional !!
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Also
https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=2947&aid=39474&lid=10502948 (https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=2947&aid=39474&lid=10502948)
The lost was passed on, not sold for $1,500.
Highly unlikely it was the same artist. Brush strokes and style are different. There are some listed on auction sites that have apparently been sold for £200, but they appear more detailed than the one pictured in this thread. I don't like how the signature is part grey, part orange and smudged.
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I totally agree with everything you guys said, Especially when it comes to the asking and the getting price, Two totally different things for sure. You guys are experts and really appreciate the help, Only someone who really knows what they`re doing can looks at brush strokes, Signature etc. Not hard up there`s a drill bit worth over $1000 sitting by my laptop I just oiled to prevent corrosion I should take a pic and put that in the frame. Just wanted to make sure I didnt have something rare that I was just going to dump on ebay, Give away or put it back up in the garage rafters.
I hate to waste your time with junk but I had to find out somehow plus I enjoy learning about old things and history. Hopefully it`s not to bad but there`s going to be a few more things that I just can`t figure out what exactly how old and how rare. Just put up with me for a little while guys! ;D Thanks again for your help! Charlie
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If they were able to put up with me,Charlie...then..there,s every likelihood..that they,ll put up with you....just keep the pics of your junk coming....
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If they were able to put up with me,Charlie...then..there,s every likelihood..that they,ll put up with you....just keep the pics of your junk coming....
Haha! You said it I`m gonna hold ya to it! I`ve got two more pieces I actually like I`m going to post, should I start a new thread or just keep it rolling here?
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better with a new thread....some folk get confused...then we don,t know if we,re coming or going..and everything ends up arse to elbow... ;D
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better with a new thread....some folk get confused...then we don,t know if we,re coming or going..and everything ends up arse to elbow... ;D
Ya good point, I`ve had enough of Schroter anyways...... Once again thanks for the help guys.
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yeah, too much of im...and you,d end up having a brainfart... ;D