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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: jkrjlr on June 29, 2013, 02:50:36 pm
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I came across another really neat find today... I found some Ball ideal, perfect seal, lightening, atlas, and queen canning jars as well as some really cool gallon jugs. My question is how on earth do I find out date of manufacture, the ball jars are all numbered as well as some of the others. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I will upload pictures momentarily.
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Try this for Ball
http://home.earthlink.net/~raclay/DatingBalljars.HTML (http://home.earthlink.net/~raclay/DatingBalljars.HTML)
As for the Queen, Smalley Kivlan, you will need to look at ongoing prices.
http://www.food.com/bb/viewtopic.zsp?t=353498 (http://www.food.com/bb/viewtopic.zsp?t=353498)
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Don't forget that many of these have been reproduced !! And they have all the bubbles as well as imperfect glass !!
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coming in late to this but i am in shock-you mean these ball pieces I have been buying could be repro's?
Thanks Mart for that link
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Not me !! KC !!
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apologies to kc
you enlightened me and I thank you
was so shocked i didn't read properly.
Is there anything anymore you can just pick up and know it is what it is
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Not many !! Just need to know the difference !! We have a really large flea market here in Texas called First Monday Trade Days at Canton Texas !! Walk through and there are more repros than you can believe !! There are a few that still sell the good stuff but when you go there,, you had better know what your doing !! Many dealers have the repro`s mixed in with a few of the older pieces !! Gets people mixed up and makes it hard to know the good from made yesterday !! Or at least that's the way it was last time I went there !!
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circa 1923-1933?!?!
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Circa 1933-1960?!?!
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Atlas canning jars circa?!?!
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Bluish colored Ball circa 1923-1933
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Lightening circa?!?! plus any additional info I cannot find anything :(
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Queen circa?!?! plus any other info ;)
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Last set is the perfect Seal any info?!?! I am terribly sorry for all of the posts but it wouldn't allow me to do it any other way :/
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Don't forget that many of these have been reproduced !! And they have all the bubbles as well as imperfect glass !!
How do you tell if they are reproductions?!?!
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Your pics are all over the size limit for this site !! That's why you are having problems !! Try resizing them to about 1500KB and see if it is easier posting them !! One of your pics I can`t see at all !! I think it was the Queen !!
Except for the blue Ball Ideal,, I don`t see anything I would question as a repro just by the pics !! Let me check on the others !!
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Your pics are all over the size limit for this site !! That's why you are having problems !! Try resizing them to about 1500KB and see if it is easier posting them !! One of your pics I can`t see at all !! I think it was the Queen !!
Except for the blue Ball Ideal,, I don`t see anything I would question as a repro just by the pics !! Let me check on the others !!
I thought I had resized :( I am so sorry... What is it about the Blue Ball Ideal that you question?!?!
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Just that those are the most commonly reproduced !! Would need to look for wear on it !!
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There were many changes throughout the years. I remember it had something to do with the embossing. Some of the really old ball jars had different style lids. I happen to have some really good Ball jars. It's been so long since I have read about them. I'll have to do some reading.
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There were many changes throughout the years. I remember it had something to do with the embossing.
The lids for the jars were the most dramatic of said changes.
Hot paraffin wax was first used to “seal” a jar containing food.
Next came the solid glass lid with a “spring” wire bail on the jar and a rubber “ring” to seal it.
Next came the zinc “screw” lid w/glass insert and a rubber “ring” to seal it.
Next came the 2-part screw lid with a screw “ring” and a disposable flat metal disk w/sealing ring.
And next came a “re-design” of the Miracle Whip salad dressing jars to prevent the aforementioned 2-part screw lid from being used on those MW jars.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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I was PO`d when Kraft changed those threads !! While you can`t can in MW jars except for the older ones,,I did use them for Jelly !! Can`t even do that now !!
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Very nice jars. I recently bought a box of bottles for $10 and there was a Crown Mason jar from 1938 inside..Missing the glass cover though.
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Your color is called Aqua. It does look clear in the pictures. I can't read the bottom part. They probably are on eBay. Bottles can be all about colors and embossed date and patent info. Also rarity.
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I would think they are real. I found LIGHING, Trademark. Here's the thing this one is medium yellow green, quart, American 1875-1890, $275.-$375. Color! :) Amber $1,400.-$1,800.
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How big is the "Queen"? A half gal. aqua is $40..
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Perfect Seal, adjustable is $25.
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Are you looking at a price guide or what people are actually paying ?? Some colors do bump the price up !! Just looked on ebay !!
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Kovel's Price guide. The truth is though if it isn't special they're really not selling, or they sell real cheap. That's why I suggested eBay. I knew they would be on there. Another reason I was stressing colors, age, rarity etc. I'm sure the jars are like $5.99 or something. Ball, Altas, are common. There has to be something special about it. Like embossed patent for example 1853 and it's amber. These are what bring value.
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According to what I have read all the jars are post 1915 because they have the seams from being machined :( The queen are pint sized but square clear in color. Trademark lightning registered U.S. Patent office is what is embossed on the front of the jars one quart size which is an aqua color and a pint size which is clear. 4 perfect seal 3 quart size clear and one square quart which is the aqua color so are those going for 25$ a piece?!?!
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That was Kovels price guide @ $25. !! Best is to look on ebay and see what people are actually paying !!
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Thanks for all this info, especially the page on dating! jkrjlr I've got one like your blue 1923-1933 you posted above. I just pulled it from the basement of a Victorian and it is definitely not a repro. I'll post some detail photos and we can compare yours to that one.
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Thanks for all this info, especially the page on dating! jkrjlr I've got one like your blue 1923-1933 you posted above. I just pulled it from the basement of a Victorian and it is definitely not a repro. I'll post some detail photos and we can compare yours to that one.
I would love to see photo's of it ;)
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have to ask tales--would you mind posting your Ball Mason jar?
I have one--and it has the regular screw top that I thought was older-would like to compare to yours?
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Not very good photos. That's a 2 on the bottom in the center. I will have to take the light out and rephotograph these.
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How I'm using it...
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tales-love the light
thanks for posting it mine has to be newer it has the screw on cap but the signature writing looks the same?
such a great idea/
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The first photo shows two Ball jars, The one on the right is more valuable. If you notice PERFECT MASON is off center. The second has a number 9 on the bottom. The third Ball jar has a patent date of 1908. On the bottom is a number 7. The patent date is July 14, 1908
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Here's the bottom of the last jar.
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I used an antique canning jar lifter to hang it, and put a battery operated tea light inside. I got to use the lifter from a FB post. The problem was finding a tea light that would fit. I had to chop this one up, tape it together and drop it into the jar.
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greenacres--great pics and good info
tales--really great idea and love it
may I ask what states you each reside in if thats all right to ask? Being in MN canning is huge always has been-sure mart too--but is this just an item that appeals all over the board do you think?
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I'm in California. I personally don't know how to can things. I've never seen it done.
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thanks tales--so it just appeals to you--kind of like andy warhol pictures--everybody knows it
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Who knew mason jars could be so interesting!!
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I'm in Philadelphia.
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thanks greenacres--do you can?
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I'm in Philadelphia.
place is full of Zombies....i saw them last week at the cinema......fastest Zombies...on the planet..... ;D
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No, I decorate with them. One was found behind a wall in a rehab my husband was doing. I get my bottles from digging on building projects.
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krikies--so much better than the news today--some poor lady was found in her house behind a false wall--
anyways--again universal appeal.
thanks all
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These bottles are really old.
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wow-where did you find those?
what was in them/
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Very nice finds , greenacres !
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We dug those. Thanks Fancypants. :)
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These are causalities.
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krikies--so much better than the news today--some poor lady was found in her house behind a false wall--
anyways--again universal appeal.
thanks all
yeah, i read that in the newspaper over here....but she was,nt some poor lady.....she, was a skeleton,her hubby had killed her,and bricked her up in the celler,wall,27 years ago,then he continued to lead a normal life?...and died last year....aged 82 ..i think....
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truly frightful--
big wull what time is it there/
realizing its only important to the US but do you have any fireworks in Scotland celebrated on the fourth? Or is there a holiday you Scots have using fireworks--notice I did not say fire WATER
smile at you
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Just like Ira Einhorn. He put the dead body in a trunk. :) My husband did find a skull and bones once. Maybe a relative of your friend in the newspaper. ;D
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greenacres--NO Way
whats the story on that
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We found an underground oven or kitchen. Sitting there were two pristine jugs and some other items. ;D That where he found the bones. He covered it up like he found it. They could have stopped the project. My daughter lives near the river in a property we own. They have been extending the road and building a bike path. The job got stopped because of archeologist that are digging. They found many items. They are researching some kind of log wall that was built in the beginnings of Philadelphia. This was to keep the river waters from coming over the banks. The museum told me this when I went to pick up my graffiti mug.
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Wow...
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Um... I have to add, I would definitely have stopped the project. In fact I have to say I think reporting it now would still be a good idea. I hate to say it, but you just posted about covering up a dead body (however old) on the Internet and I believe this is going to obligate you to act upon it. You never know if that could be a modern missing person, and you would not want to be an accessory to a cover up. If it's a burial from another century, it would be more respectful to the deceased to allow them a reburial in a cemetery, especially if this was a 19th century murder victim and the archaeologists should be allowed to do their job. Sorry GA.
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Tales I never thought of it that way. This had been covered up since the 1700's. We thought nothing really of it at the time.
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Living in Phila. you dig up so many things. We do so many projects and this was so long ago.