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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: jweams on January 02, 2014, 07:22:22 am
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I bought this patch for my husband at an antique market, it was inexpensive but it was the only one the guy had. I have looked it up and it is from ss uniforms and have found some sites selling it for 600. Does anyone know if nazi uniform patches can really sell for this much or are these sites crazy??
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No, Third Reich medals and insignia, even the cloth variety, can fetch four figures sometimes.
Can i ask what you think this is ? Do you think it's an Order Of The German Cross ?
Also need an image of the reverse. Looks suspiciously like a repro.
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Yes I read it is an Order of the German cross.
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I highly doubt it is a repo I bought it in Belgium from a man that specializes in WWII memorabilia.
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what is you see Ipcress? what looks different? Too new?
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There's a similar guy who wrote reference books and it's been decided many of the items in them are fakes and much of the information he provided was bogus, although it was then thought to be true.
Third Reich medals are a minefield. They recently found some of the machine used to produce them during the war, which makes copying them easier, and occasionally there are reports of stores being unearthed with original insignia or envelopes - they flood the market and people are looking at what appears to be brand new merchandise but is just incredibly well preserved.
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So do you think this to be real and of some value or it is likely to be a replica? I bought this in Tongeren Belgium.
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It's a replica. Stitching, detail etc are wrong. Variations exist but i've also shown the image to a couple of other experts and they agree it's a copy.
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Wow I'm shocked. Only because of where I got it. Europe doesn't really have a market for nazi memorabilia for someone to make replicas. Europeans don't like things from that period especially with swastikas. Thank you for the information though! !
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Some more information: http://www.quanonline.com/military/military_reference/german/badges/ironcross/paper.php (http://www.quanonline.com/military/military_reference/german/badges/ironcross/paper.php)
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Wow I'm shocked. Only because of where I got it. Europe doesn't really have a market for nazi memorabilia for someone to make replicas. Europeans don't like things from that period especially with swastikas. Thank you for the information though! !
Eh ? There's massive interest in Third Reich memorabilia.
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I say this based on the response of the Germans at this market they wouldn't even look at the stuff! ! And acted disgusted! I believe please don't think that just telling you from personal experience and living over here.
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There are markets and conventions throughout Europe. There are re-enactments. Ebay has restricted the trade but there are still plenty of websites and forums where memorabilia is discussed and traded every day. I've been involved in cataloguing collections for auction and the response is always huge, especially for original items.
Fakes and good quality reproductions have flooded the market and affected some prices but Third Reich militaria is generally more valuable than the British WWII stuff, apart from the gallantry medals and Air Crew Europe star.
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Unfortunately, almost anything that is collectible these days can/will have fakes.
This patch is known to have modern pieces made to look old.
Not saying this is your experience...but many a seller has had help from groups to look and oogle over items to encourage sales. This has happened quite a bit with items being produced in Latvia and sold at collectors meets and shops all around the world.
This is a good article to read.
http://s276159374.e-shop.info/online/templatemedia/all_lang/resources/DK.pdf (http://s276159374.e-shop.info/online/templatemedia/all_lang/resources/DK.pdf)
Bottom line, if you aren't a serious collector and you were wanting to buy the Gold Cross...then you have the gold cross as a lovely gift. You said you got it and it was "inexpensive"...inexpensive in that even if it is a copy you could/would have paid that amount?
Research a bit more before getting out of sorts. We have all been here and done this at some point in our lives.
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Oh I'm not upset at all about it. I was shocked when I looked it up and curious. I am not a serious collector of this kind of thing just thought my husband may like it and had the opportunity so got it for 10 euro I'm not upset. ;)
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For that price i think the expert knew what he was selling and hasn't tried to con you
Glad to hear you didn't pay much for it.
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Yeah I plan to tell the guy when I go back again as I go to this market often. He seems legit from all the stuff he had. A friend bought a german wedding edition of mein kampf. ... curious about that now. ...
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I can say from experience ..with having lived in Germany...that when it comes to any piece of German memorabilia that has the Hakenkreuz..or Swastika on it...is a big No No, in Germany...and any market that i,ve been to in Germany, if the swastika is on the item..its akways covered ..usually with a yellow/red round paper sticker.....its a bit like hear no evil,see no evil,speak no evil,...they know its there but as long as they don,t see it..its ok,..I can rmember going to Rc model aircraft fair in Speyer,..and when it came to judging the models it was done behind closed doors,... because, in order to have an authentic scale model German WW11 plane, it must have the Swastika on the tail fin,...and after the judgiing was over the models were put on public display...and every model had the swastika covered ..
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I have dealt some in WW2 war items and this doesn't look real at all. Write to this man https://www.facebook.com/rathbonemuseum His name is Todd and is an expert on WW2 if you want further information or another opinion. I just sold a Luftwaffe Shirt Emblem and Ipcress is right about the stitching.
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Thank you for the extra info. I do believe this patch isn't real and I'm ok with that I'm no where near a collector of this kind of thing I in fact knew nothing about the patch just stood out to me so I got it. I usually stick to tables mirrors and glass. Yes it is taboo to have this kind of thing in Germany and that's why I said I was suprised there is enough interest at least over here to have knock offs. I bought this in Belgium I know it would not even be allowed to be sold in Germany. Thank you all for your help.
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One of my good old friends who I have lunch with is a Veteran and was serving in Germany during the Spring of 1945. Part of their job was to purge anything military or firearm related from the local citizenry. My friend tells me that the streets would be littered with discarded uniforms, weapons, etc. that would be pushed into a pile and doused with fuel and set on fire. If the uniforms were still being worn, the patches and insignias were ripped off and thrown on the heap and destroyed.
He also tells me about the recovered souvenirs that were sent home by the GI’s. He himself found a fancy piece of luggage that contained a Imperial German officers uniform, complete with medals and decorations. One of the decorations from his description (blue enamel cross) almost sounds like it could have been a rare “Blue Max” cross. He mailed the whole thing home, but went on to say; “If the mail clerks saw something interesting, they would just put their own address label on the package and send it to their house”. It’s a shame, but that’s what happened in this case.
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This is an authetic one.
(http://i.cubeupload.com/B1NGPR.jpg)