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Title: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: micaela on January 07, 2014, 02:39:42 pm
Hi I am hoping someone on the board may be able to help with identifying thismarks in the two teapot. Any help is appreciated.
Regards
Micaela
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Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: bigwull on January 07, 2014, 02:44:19 pm
wowsa...i,ve never seen a teapot that can change colour......or was it just a trick of the light.... ;D
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: micaela on January 07, 2014, 02:48:22 pm
Hi, This is two teapot one is blue and the other yellow. Not vhange the color. Is possible problem with the flash in the photos.
Regards
Micaela
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: bigwull on January 07, 2014, 04:21:51 pm
just me trying to be funny....but failing miserably.....
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: Ipcress on January 07, 2014, 04:57:27 pm
Looks Japanese. Almost like Sumida but without the figures.

I'll have a looky
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: greenacres on January 07, 2014, 05:02:08 pm
I went thru my mark book and on line and couldn't find much. Love the pottery though.
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: Ipcress on January 07, 2014, 05:22:55 pm
Pics need to be another 90 degrees for the mark to be in the correct position

Like a cross between Sumida and Inarco
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: greenacres on January 07, 2014, 07:37:44 pm
I checked lines, arrows k's. Then I thought it was Michael Casson. A small "l" sideways "M".
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: mart on January 07, 2014, 08:04:34 pm
Looks Japanese to me too !!
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: greenacres on January 07, 2014, 09:12:58 pm
I also checked foreign marks too. I whip the mark book out again.
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: greenacres on January 07, 2014, 09:22:29 pm
If it's Chinese the"AG" would date it July 1960. If its "AG"  on the last picture.
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: KC on January 07, 2014, 10:45:12 pm
What are the dimensions of the pots?
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: mart on January 08, 2014, 08:03:18 am
Often the Japanese marked the bottom with the area where it was made rather than the actual maker !!
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: KC on January 08, 2014, 11:33:41 am
Reminds me also of Yixing teapots......

Need to send marks to friend who can tell what country....
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: Ipcress on January 08, 2014, 11:53:24 am
They're not yixing.

Japanese unless the marks are fake but i doubt it.
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: KC on January 08, 2014, 08:38:13 pm
Friend just verified it is Japanese but couldn't verify where.  Traditionally is the area made (should be on it but isn't).  She believes they are authentic Ipcress.  Crudely lettered.  But not certain on age because they have "done quite well in the pottery market" and "can make pots look older" than they are.

First pot mark - in the middle (which should be the first mark) is the Da mark and the second mark is for the dynasty.  But other marks aren't present.
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: mart on January 08, 2014, 08:45:07 pm
KC !! Did you take a good look at the blue one ?? Look at how large the crazing is,, yet could see very little on the yellow one !!  Don`t think I have ever seen natural crazing like that !!  Could be due to the curvature but its odd !!
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: Ipcress on January 09, 2014, 07:26:34 am
Friend just verified it is Japanese but couldn't verify where.  Traditionally is the area made (should be on it but isn't).  She believes they are authentic Ipcress.  Crudely lettered.  But not certain on age because they have "done quite well in the pottery market" and "can make pots look older" than they are.

First pot mark - in the middle (which should be the first mark) is the Da mark and the second mark is for the dynasty.  But other marks aren't present.

Yeah i got all that, KC. It's like the characters you normally see for Dai Nippon / Great Japan but here the mark is for a name and although i know certain characters like Nishi, Yama etc and can recognise others, i haven't seen this. It is similar to but not identical to characters on very late Meiji items.

In the early 20th century, there was a movement in Japan similar to that seen in late Victorian / early 20th century western antiques. Like with majolica, you often saw fruit or vegetable designs. Even corn on the cob ( which was replicated in the US by various companies )
Below is an ivory carving of a banana. These are stunning pieces and highly sought after

http://images.onlinegalleries.com/gfx/275991.jpg (http://images.onlinegalleries.com/gfx/275991.jpg)

An orange

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/14021928_a-japanese-ivory-okimono-of-an-orange-early-20th (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/14021928_a-japanese-ivory-okimono-of-an-orange-early-20th)


I'd say the teapots were from a similar period but not particularly valuable.
Title: Re: help Identify the marks in a oriental teapot
Post by: KC on January 09, 2014, 11:36:33 am
I agree Ipcress about usage of the Dai (great) mark.  It was used for a very long time and by many - but today is most commonly associated with Dai Nippon. 

Wow, impressed with the fruits.  Hadn't seen ones like these before.  Thanks for sharing!

These are pieces that would need a reputable hands-on in my opinion to determine more.  I also agree that they may not be ones you could retire on the profits.