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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: frogpatch on April 14, 2014, 11:01:00 am
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I found this over the weekend and it normally would not have interested me except for two things.It was made in New Jersey like me, and it has an insignia on it from a hotel or family or something. This is probably a real long shot but does anyone have a clue what the symbol on the side stood for? It is right on the side on the hip of the piece in green. I also put a picture of the bottom mark. I looked that up and it seems to date from around 1900. The piece is around 4 inches high. Thanks
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If it helps. the monogram has a wreath and a thistle over it.
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I have been looking for this monogram but have found nothing !! Most of the lists are for business monograms and it wasn`t there !! That is an "He" isn`t it ?
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Now that might be a "personal" monogram that was "special" ordered for a complete set of dishes/tableware.
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Hotel ware? Carleton Hotel or something like that.... GG
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It was a luxury to have monogrammed items. So this could easily be for an individual!
What is tickling me, is when I look at the monogram....the C or E looks like a fish to me. The left side is pointed (instead of arched like a typical letter would be) and it has a dot like an eye! :)
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Thanks everyone. It will probably always remain a mystery. For now I will stick some spring flowers in it.
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I couldn`t find anything on that monogram,, I checked hotels too and zilch !!
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Perhaps it came from a steamliner company/ship .... they commonly had their own 'logos' & etc on servingware (& lotsa other stuff too) ... can't say as I recognize the mark on yours though , frogpatch .
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I am curious about the "leafy" twig within the wreath .... which has what looks like a thistle seed pod.
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He said above that it was a thistle !! Perhaps we should be looking in Scotland rather than here !!
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He said above that it was a thistle !!
OOPs, I missed that.
Here ya go ...............
The Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle is an order of chivalry associated with Scotland. The current version of the Order was founded in 1687 by King James VII of Scotland (also known as James II of England and Ireland) who asserted that he was reviving an earlier Order. The Order consists of the Sovereign and sixteen Knights and Ladies, as well as certain "extra" knights (members of the British Royal Family and foreign monarchs). The Sovereign alone grants membership of the Order; he or she is not advised by the Government, as occurs with most other Orders.
The Order's primary emblem is the thistle, the national flower of Scotland. The motto is Nemo me impune lacessit (Latin for "No one provokes me with impunity").[1] The same motto appears on the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom for use in Scotland and some pound coins, and is also the motto of the Royal Regiment of Scotland, Scots Guards, The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada and Royal Scots Dragoon Guards. The patron saint of the Order is St Andrew.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Thistle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Thistle)
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I honestly can't see a Scottish person or company ordering anything from Trenton, NJ when Britain is known for its many quality potteries. Just saying.
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Could be anything - needles in a stack of needles time - but i know of very few cases where an individual has their own vases monogrammed. Inscriptions are far more common but this is a transfer after the vase was made.
Could be a unique design for the Cameron Highlanders, who used an X within a wreath but sometimes a thistle replaced the X. Maybe the recipient was in that regiment or it was in the mess for a time.
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It was worth the one dollar she paid for it just as a conversation piece. (this conversation)
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Scottish immigrants bought it here,,had it marked as a remembrance of homeland ??
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It is marked under the glaze. They would have had to order a lot of them. I think it was taken from a hotel room or restaurant table. We have a porcelain bathtub miniature that has the Plaza Hotel logo. Housekeeping gave it to my wife just for asking. There used to be one in every bath to hold those little hotel toiletries. That was in 1987. The vase is more like 1907.
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A Scottish immigrant that made his fortune in America could have "special ordered" whatever he wanted.
Andrew Carnegie for one. ;D ;D