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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: micaela on January 22, 2015, 09:10:34 pm
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Hi, I find this medal in a old furniture I buy. I relly dont know if this is original or not. I search info in internet and read this medal in gold has been awarded once only in Gold (in 1894 to Captain William Haskell).
Please tell me you opinion or if you know this medal is original or not. Really I dont know to think.
Regards
Mica
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I don't believe that there would be printing on the edge of the medal.... I am wondering if this was a commemorative item put out by the Liverpool Shipwreck and Humane Society. I would first contact them and ask if I was you. Here is their information
http://www.liverpoolshipwreckandhumanesoc.org/Contact.html (http://www.liverpoolshipwreckandhumanesoc.org/Contact.html)
Micaela, can you take it to a jeweler to test if for gold?
It sure would be a rare thing to have the only one...but miracles do happen. It could be possible.
These awards are no longer given out due to the lack of sea rescues over the years (per the site).
What kind of furniture was this found in?
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To me it looks like the letters at the rim were engraved, not stamped, and the overall appearance with signs of wear and the exactness of the impression makes me think that there is some slight possibility that this is actually the one gold medal. Contacting the Liverpool Shipwreck and Humane Society, as KC proposed, would be really the besrt way to find out, and I would be curious to hear the outcome!
Mat
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The silver ones had inscriptions on the rim, too: http://victoriancollections.net.au/items/4f72a35097f83e030860223c
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Mat thanks for finding that one. I couldn't find where it said there was an inscription around the edge of the medal.
Like I said, miracles happen, this could be "the" coin.
Please contact them Micaela! Let us know.
You always come up with some of the most interesting items!
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KC, the inscription isn't mentioned in the dedcription, but you can see it when you look at the additional photos of the medal on the site.
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Sure looks like gold !! I want to know about the furniture too !!
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I feel sure if only one of these in Gold was awarded someone would know where it is...but you never know.
http://www.liverpoolshipwreckandhumanesoc.org/Old_Awards.html
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That's what I thought as well Wilhenri and found the original site as well. I have searched that Captain Haskell high and low with no avail. Crazier things have happened...
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That's what I thought as well Wilhenri and found the original site as well. I have searched that Captain Haskell high and low with no avail. Crazier things have happened...
I agree that there has to be an account of Capt. Haskell and deed of heroism somewhere.
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That's what I thought as well Wilhenri and found the original site as well. I have searched that Captain Haskell high and low with no avail. Crazier things have happened...
I agree that there has to be an account of Capt. Haskell and deed of heroism somewhere.
Perhaps someone has found this article, but there was an account of a rescue with a Captain Haskell. However, the article mentions that he, his wife and 13 others were rescued at sea in 1910 rather than Haskell himself being the hero.
http://vineyardgazette.com/news/2010/01/21/century-later-epic-sea-rescue-remembered?k=vg54c56717827a0&r=1
This appears to have been an American (and, perhaps, the wrong age). Still, it would be an interesting irony if Captain Haskell was rescued years after rescuing someone else.
:)
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Hi, I contact with the LIVERPOOL SHIPWRECK & HUMANE SOCIETY. And ask about this medal. I write again when Respond me. Really I thinks is the original. But I not sure. I found in a old bar furniture in a secret door.
Mica
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Would somebody have idea if it has some special value? I don't have reference on this since serious only one.
Mica
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I would say yes !! Historical value as well as monetary value !! Don`t lose it !! In fact I would have it is a bank safety box !!
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I would second that :)
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Micaela, DEFINITELY HAS VALUE! For one, it is Gold if it is the original one. For historical purposes, it is the only gold one made AND was for a sea rescue.
The Liverpool Shipwreck and Humane Society would probably like it as well as maritime collectors and historical medal collectors.
Let us know what you hear from them!
ccchhhrrriiisss I had previously found where there were several Captain Haskells. Will look at the stoioes.
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I agree! I would love to hear how this plays out.
What a great story!
:)
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Hi The LIVERPOOL SHIPWRECK & HUMANE SOCIETY respond me the vice chairman:
The most important to me he says is:
"As an added interest I also collect medals for life saving, so you can imagine my delight in receiving the e-mail.
Your contact and pictures are very interesting indeed. The Gold Bramley-Moore medal has never been seen before it has been assumed to have been lost in a similar
manner as one of our Gold Fire medals, (melted down to provide for family needs, a long time ago).
It looks as though it may be a genuine medal, the engraving of the words around the rim looks good, and, the obverse and reverse of the medal look good.
The medal is incomplete, ( not a major problem) as it needs ribbon and a Gold Suspender, similar to the silver ones on some of the medals on our web site, ( these
can be obtained as either used items or one could be made, not a huge cost so don't worry). The condition of the medal (from the photographs) is not pristine, but it does
look to be in a better than fine condition, there appear to be a couple of edge knocks, which is never good."
Obviously to certify it they would have to see it in person.
Mica
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I hope Michaela, that you do plant to have it verified !! Even with the edge dings,, it is still the only one out there !! Let us know what you decide !! And keep us updated about the medal even if you decide to sell it !!
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Micaela,
I agree with Mart!
And the edge dings won't be that big of an issue because it is the ONLY ONE and IT IS GOLD!!!!
Let us know what you do and find out about value!
So excited for you!!!!
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Really nobody tell me an approximative value. We will see that it happens. I will publish it in ebay and to see that happens.
mica
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Be sure to post the ebay link here so we can watch !! We are all excited !! This medal may be very valuable !! How are you going to advertise the sale to potential buyers !! That is important if you want top dollar !! The more people know about the medal and its sale date the better !!
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Micaela, unless you are in a great rush/need of money, I would take the time to research this one alot more! Please! AND if you do list...have a reserve worth it's weight in gold!
I am trying to find someone who can help with a cost and I am sure others are working on it as well.
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Just a thought: because this is related to shipwreck off Martha Vinyard ( a very wealthy summer community off the coast of Massachusetts) I would certainly make sure when you do sell it you do advertise it well there and in the New Bedford MA area. Perhaps even wait until the Summer season.
PeLady Plymouth MA
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I think this deserves a top notch auction house !! They can handle the research, advertise to the right buyers, and make more from the sale than you might by selling on ebay !! Or almost as good,, would be to let them know you have the medal !! Word would get around !! And whatever you do,,,do not sell that piece of furniture it was found in !! Keep it,, that might be the only way to verify the medal,, by tracing the furniture it was found in !!
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the auction house spink contact me and tell me he like sell the medal for me. But I send to him. I respond I like know the estimate value. I dont send without insurance.
mica
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Which auction house did you contact ?? I would not let the medal out of your hands !! They can come to you !! Or you can take it to them !! This is a one of a kind, historically important item !! Don`t send it,, at all !! Get several top auction houses involved !!
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Agree!!!
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https://www.spink.com
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Listed in ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bramley-Moore-GOLD-medal-for-saving-life-at-sea-awarded-to-William-Haskel-1894-/231472757388?
mica
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Wow...so interesting... PLEASE keep us posted !
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Not a good idea Mica,, at least not at this point !! Have you advertised to potential buyers ?? You currently have no idea of its value !!
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I think is not bad idea. I put a reserve value. I ser the reacción Of the buyers.
Regards
Mica
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Micaela, I must say you have definitely included all the right information in your listing. And notice you already had an immediate bid. Wishing you the best!
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Thankssss
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Fascinating! I will surely bid on this medal!
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I worry you will not get its true worth without many other people knowing about the sale,,but we will see how it goes !!
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Hi Micaela ! Mart sent me a message and i received the e-mail..this sounded too interesting to miss out on !
This is some find and i'll send some links to people who might not otherwise be looking at Ebay for an item like this. It should be doing about 3 or 4 thousand pounds. The suspender ( the part attached to the medal which the ribbon is hung from ) seems to have been repaired.
The one bonus you have on Ebay is that last hour rush, where bidders might decide they simply have to own this - likely they won't have the chance again with a unique medal like this and in 22ct gold
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Just had a quick look and the medal seems to have been awarded for rescuing crew and passengers ( cargo was mainly cattle and coal ) from the steamship Oxenholme, who went down off the cost of Brazil ( near Porto Alegre ) June 4th, 1894.
Captain Haskell was also awarded the Society Of Lloyds silver medal
I'll phone the IWM and others in the morning.
What a find.
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Hi ipcress.
Thanks
Mica
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Up to $8,000
There are a couple of quite important buyers after this.
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Y es!!!!
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Hope it keeps climbing !!
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Thanks. I think in the finish up more.
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Let's hope it brings in much much more!
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Don't worry, its not finished yet.