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Title: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: mart on September 21, 2018, 03:53:50 pm
https://www.kovels.com/discussions/medical-pottery.html

They thought it was medical use because of the mark but it is not !!
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: cogar on September 21, 2018, 04:27:47 pm
Looks Asian to me. And I agree with you, it doesn‘t look “medical” to me.

Which one of the tumblers has the “holes” in the bottom?

And given the “holes”,….. I think there is several missing pieces of the set.

And “sizes” of the pieces might be helpful.
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: KC on September 21, 2018, 05:15:56 pm
Reminds me of a bathroom set!  Holes in bottom for shaver/toothbrushes, small water jug and shave cream bowl/waste pot?
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: mart on September 21, 2018, 07:34:08 pm
Its Haviland & Co. Limoges !!  Sorry Cogar I forgot to put that in the post !!  Will try tomorrow to get all the details !!
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: Rauville on September 21, 2018, 07:40:27 pm
Hmm, I would agree with KC, that it's a few pieces from a wash set.
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: KC on September 22, 2018, 12:24:48 pm
Yep, its a couple of pieces from a Porcelain Chamber Set.  A chamber pot, soap dish, toothbrush/shaver holder, small water jug or cup.
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: mart on September 23, 2018, 10:09:14 am
Not sure about that now KC, Rauville,,Cogar !!  They have posted sizes on the items !!
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: cogar on September 24, 2018, 04:55:03 am
So, they have 5 pieces of a set, and the tall looking “tumbler” is actually a “mug” with handle (not a pitcher with handle).

And I don’t believe the smaller “tumbler” with “drain” or ”vent” holes has anything to do with “shaving”.

Actually, given the design/pattern on the pottery, …… and the shapes and sizes of the pieces, ........ them being part of a bathroom or Chamber Set is out of the question.

To wit:

Measurements are:
Single handle bowl with lid- H- 5 3/4" x W- 10"
Small pitcher with handle - H- 8 1/2" x W- 4 1/2"
shaving brush holder- H- 5 1/4" x W- 3 1/2" widest and 2" at opening
oval plate W-5 3/4" x L- 8"
Large bowl H- 5 3/4" x W- 15"


Anyway, me thinks they are part of a “serving” set.
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: mart on September 24, 2018, 05:45:50 am
That is what I think too after knowing more !!  Thats the reason I said the one with the holes in the bottom may be a celery server that would sit in the dish !!  The other taller one may just be a vase !!
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: KC on September 24, 2018, 04:22:52 pm
Still stick with bathroom set.  The mug with lid could be a shaving mug but a mighty large one! (Still think chamber pot.)

Celery holders didn't have holes in the bottom.  Typically in 1800's and onward, they had either "Celery Dishes" or "Celery Vases" (often mistaken for a spooner).  Celery vases were used to hold cool water and celery stalks with the leaves on (which made the table look ornate.)

Chamber pots with lids varied from 5 - 7.5" height to 9 - 10" width.  See Ruby Lane example:https://www.rubylane.com/item/530897-MC189/Victorian-Aesthetic-movement-Brown-Transferware-Covered?search=1 (https://www.rubylane.com/item/530897-MC189/Victorian-Aesthetic-movement-Brown-Transferware-Covered?search=1)

Large wash bowls typically measured 5 - 8" height and 14 - 17" width.  I believe the large bowl to be a wash bowl missing the matching pitcher.

Agree the one without holes could be a vase or celery vase - but seen altogether would be seen as a vase or water holder to drink. 

Definitely not a vanity set.  Definitely not a celery holder.  Definitely not a condensed milk holder with lid (handled mug.)  Guess we can keep ruling out to come up with the answer.

Also, the double snakes wouldn't have been a desirable design for a table.

Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: Rauville on September 24, 2018, 04:33:54 pm
I'll say that I would hate to get served potatoes out of that "Single handle bowl"! (But, it is the perfect size to slip under the bed at night.)
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: mart on September 24, 2018, 07:13:15 pm
the snakes are the same as the factory mark !!  But what is the item with the holes in the bottom for ??  Any ideas ??
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: KC on September 25, 2018, 08:04:02 am
Mart, I would bet a cup for toothbrushes.  That's what I would use it for.  The under dish could be just that - an under dish.  However, these sets generally had a soap dish and it looks alot like a soap dish. 
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: Cat58 on September 25, 2018, 04:16:49 pm
Mart and all. Thank you for the link. Let me know if you have any other questions that I can answer or try to at least.
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: mart on September 26, 2018, 06:37:42 pm
Well,, Looks like it three for toilet set and one,, mine,, ain`t got a clue !!  Just from general observation,, I think you have pieces collected of the same or similar pattern but not all one set !!  Didn`t I see a salt shaker in one of your pics ??
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: KC on September 26, 2018, 11:33:18 pm
Mart, aren't you remembering the holes in the bottom of the one "toothbrush" cup?  I looked at the pics but didn't see a shaker. 
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: mart on September 27, 2018, 07:58:36 am
KC,, Look at the 4th pic off to the left !!  Salt or pepper shaker with metal top !!  I think someone just like this pattern and started picking up a piece or two wherever they could !!  I am not sure as I said that these are one singular pattern !!  There are the snakes on two but not the others !! I think the two patterns are just similarly made !!
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: KC on September 27, 2018, 11:39:31 am
Oh, now I see what you are referring to.

I believe you are seeing the "other" item we are saying is the water holder/small jug/cup.

I enlarged and it appears the top is open/hole.

However, it appears to have a handle? on it?  Which doesn't show in the group picture.  Wonder if they can show another picture if it is in fact a handle on it?
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: fancypants on October 01, 2018, 01:39:58 pm
I'ma thinking that the perforated 'cup' is missing the horsehair shaving brush ....
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: mart on October 01, 2018, 04:23:23 pm
Hey Fancypants !!  Where have you been hiding ??  Good to see you here !!
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: cogar on October 02, 2018, 04:26:12 am
Quote
Measurements are:

Single handle bowl with lid- H- 5 3/4" x W- 10"
Small pitcher with handle - H- 8 1/2" x W- 4 1/2"
shaving brush holder- H- 5 1/4" x W- 3 1/2" widest and 2" at opening
oval plate W-5 3/4" x L- 8"
Large bowl H- 5 3/4" x W- 15"

The average length of a shaving brush is …… 4”

(http://agreenroutine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/shaving-brush.jpg)

Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: KC on October 04, 2018, 08:38:43 am
Hey fancypants!  Welcome back!  Glad you are here!

I had put that the perforated container was for shaving brush or toothbrush and felt it was for the brush originally. 

It most definitely is a bathroom/wash set!
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: fancypants on October 08, 2018, 01:12:42 pm
Hey folks ....

Still been wrapped up with taking care of a sickie , perhaps soon to be hospice .

All this takes up almost all of my time , so , hence my absence , & missin' ya'll !
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: mart on October 08, 2018, 07:16:27 pm
Miss you too !!  Just pop in when time allows and say hello !! 
Title: Re: Hey folks,, KKC, Rauville, Cogar !! What was this set used for ??
Post by: KC on October 13, 2018, 10:07:03 am
I am soooo sorry that you are having to go thru this emotionally trying time and pray you have strength to make it thru it fancypants.  Is this a parent, sibling, relative, ?  What a privileged opportunity to help care for someone to the end. 

We will take you back anytime my good friend!