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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: JJT on June 01, 2021, 07:00:38 am
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I got this in New York recently. It's quite nice, but theres been some debate where it came from and its age. Any opinions greatly appreciated.
I was told a few things by the antique dealer, their opinions etc but curious what you guys all think before I post any of that.
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I'd say the same as I did on Antiquers: Empire revival ca. 1900. Sorry if you overpaid, but that's happened to all of us at one time or another. Still a beautiful piece!
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I'd say the same as I did on Antiquers: Empire revival ca. 1900. Sorry if you overpaid, but that's happened to all of us at one time or another. Still a beautiful piece!
I wasn't expecting you to change your answer =)
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Can I please see a closeup of the carved faces on the back?
For reference to style of your settee:
https://picclick.com/Empire-Style-Parlor-Mahogany-3-pc-Set-184149271876.html (https://picclick.com/Empire-Style-Parlor-Mahogany-3-pc-Set-184149271876.html)
https://www.chairish.com/product/2430678/1840-empire-clawfoot-mahogany-settee?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlLrc2MP58AIVbCCtBh3K0QhNEAQYBiABEgKv4_D_BwE (https://www.chairish.com/product/2430678/1840-empire-clawfoot-mahogany-settee?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlLrc2MP58AIVbCCtBh3K0QhNEAQYBiABEgKv4_D_BwE)
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Can I please see a closeup of the carved faces on the back?
For reference to style of your settee:
https://picclick.com/Empire-Style-Parlor-Mahogany-3-pc-Set-184149271876.html (https://picclick.com/Empire-Style-Parlor-Mahogany-3-pc-Set-184149271876.html)
https://www.chairish.com/product/2430678/1840-empire-clawfoot-mahogany-settee?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlLrc2MP58AIVbCCtBh3K0QhNEAQYBiABEgKv4_D_BwE (https://www.chairish.com/product/2430678/1840-empire-clawfoot-mahogany-settee?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlLrc2MP58AIVbCCtBh3K0QhNEAQYBiABEgKv4_D_BwE)
I don't have any. I am in Texas, and I had to leave it in NY until next year.
I can get one sent to me if you think it would help evaluate it.
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A close up of the face would really help!
So....another Texan?!?!
There are 2 of us resident advisors that are in this wonderful state!
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A close up of the face would really help!
So....another Texan?!?!
There are 2 of us resident advisors that are in this wonderful state!
No I'm not a Texan. I've only been here for about 20 years. I'll get a picture sent to me.
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I wasn't born here either....but here for over 40+ years! It definitely grows on you.
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I got a photo. I'll post it this weekend.
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(https://i.imgur.com/0IZnXvv.png)
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The dealer told me it was purchased in Europe and believes it is of Italian Origin.
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Don`t believe dealers ! I am with Ghopper !! !890 to 1900 Empire revival ! Not Italian,,,isn`t even close !
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Don`t believe dealers ! I am with Ghopper !! !890 to 1900 Empire revival ! Not Italian,,,isn`t even close !
Ok. I appreciate the input on it.
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I have to agree with the others. Plus those eyes are crazy!
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Actually New York area is a much more likely origin !
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Still a nice piece!
I would restore the eyes to original wood tone - that is unless you like that look!
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I never noticed the eyes were highlighted.
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Anything for a sale !! I agree with KC ! Fix those eyes ! Its not a terrifically valuable piece but just be careful doing it !! As they are it looks too Gothic !!
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Anything for a sale !! I agree with KC ! Fix those eyes ! Its not a terrifically valuable piece but just be careful doing it !! As they are it looks too Gothic !!
Im pretty sure I will leave it alone. The seat was reupholstered
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I was told a few things by the antique dealer
Yeah, I don't doubt it. Thing is, many dealers are generalists, that is they know a little about a lot so are likely to just repeat the story they got from the previous owner. While some dealers specialize in just one thing and usually know a great deal about the objects they carry for sale.
I don't remember this from Antiquers
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Hey Jacon4,,, how are things with you ? Any good buys lately ?
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No, but, there is a HISTORIC sale coming up, one of the finest collections of early American furniture in private hands this Jan at the Americana shows in NYC.
So I am keeping my powder dry till then, I'll NEED IT! as prices are likely to be in outer space somewhere, this guy had the resources to collect the best of the best.
There will be much more than furniture, silver, coins, early guns, early iron, etc. Should be a historic sale.
https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2022/the-william-k-du-pont-collection-important-americana-from-rocky-hill?locale=en
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The Sotheby blurb on this sale, if it's half as good as they say it's going to be BIG!
"One of the greatest private collections of Americana ever assembled will headline Sotheby’s Americana Week in January 2022 in New York. The du Pont name is among the most notable and storied names in American history, and seldom do American collectors immerse themselves so thoroughly in the essence of colonial life.
Over the course of decades, William K. du Pont assembled a collection that is entirely unique in character and importance, comprising some of the best examples of Americana ever to appear at auction. The definition of a true connoisseur, Mr. du Pont was a devoted scholar and voracious collector, who was a prominent fixture on the committees of both the Philadelphia and Delaware Antiques Shows, among other notable organizations. Mr. du Pont also served for many years on the board of Winterthur, a picturesque estate originally owned by his family and now the premier museum for American decorative arts that houses the legendary collection of Henry Francis du Pont."
Sotheby’s will share additional details about the collection later this fall, ahead of our Americana Week auctions in January 2022.
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Bill du Pont died last summer in a freak tractor accident on his farm, he was 80 something years old, which is how all this came about.
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Yes ,, I am familiar with the name and the collection ! But,, better have a big, fat wallet ! Aint going to be in my price range !
Maybe a few of the smaller items will be affordable for lower end buyers !
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I find I tend to do better at sales with many high-end examples, easier to slide out the side door with pieces that have less star power but still a very good example. Most tend to focus on outstanding examples, not sure that will happen at this sale though.
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I will keep my fingers and toes crossed for you ! You may need it !
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I'll keep mine crossed for you as well. That is going to be one fun auction to watch!
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"That is going to be one fun auction to watch!"
Indeed, even that brass bed warmer in the above photo that hangs on the wall is special according to someone I know who has seen this collection.
" The bed warmer in the photo is awesome...he told me he paid $10,000 for it and it is New England, having an engraved history of the life of Squanto. That I want! "
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This the first auction I've seen where they are charging an "Overhead Premium", in addition to the Buyers Premium.
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On the left there is a chest with another on top ! It is not part of the chest its sitting on ! What is it ?
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This the first auction I've seen where they are charging an "Overhead Premium",
I have heard of it, not exactly sure what that is. I have been paying an extra 3% if you use a credit/debit card though at some auctions.
On the left there is a chest with another on top ! It is not part of the chest its sitting on ! What is it ?
A ditty/personal box or commonly & incorrectly referred to as a "bible box".
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Thats what I thought it was ! I like it better than the bed warmer ! Can`t see details though !
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Yeah, me too, the bed warmer is nice I am sure but doesn't do much for me either.
The dealer I was quoting that viewed this collection was lamenting the fact that very little of the collection is from New England, it's mostly objects from the Delaware River Valley ( parts of 4 or 5 states) which makes sense because that's where the DuPont family is from.
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A quick glance at the map tells the tale, Philadelphia is the center of this area because in 1700 America, that's where the people were!
Many NE dealers shy away from PA objects because there are many dealers in PA who specialize in only PA objects and many of these dealers are heavy hitters like Philip Bradley, Old Hope Antiques, etc.
My hope is to slide in between these 2 groups and carry off a prize of my own. :)
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Here's hoping you are invisible to them and snatch something up! :)
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Yep, that's the plan, invisible, it may not work with this collection though.
By the time this sale rolls around this Jan, every person on the planet who can read will be aware of it. Another factor is, Lisa Minardi has a book in the works on this collection and had been visiting along with photographer Gavin Ashworth, at his farm Rocky Hill. It would not surprise me if this book hits the stores this fall.
"Most of the photography was completed at Rocky Hill, but Minardi must track down pieces that left the collection for other prestigious assemblages."
. . "Minardi, now executive director of Historic Trappe, had been du Pont’s curatorial advisor for many years.
“I first met Bill in 2004, when I started in the Winterthur M.A. program." “Unbeknownst to me when I first met him, Bill had long been planning to do a book on his collection. In 2008 he shared this idea with me—then he stunned me when he said that he wanted me to write it! As a young Winterthur curator, I found it hard to believe that he really wanted me to be the author. But he was indeed serious and reminded me often about the project. Work finally got underway three years ago as Bill approached his eightieth birthday. Working together with photographer Gavin Ashworth, we set up a photo studio in Bill’s living room at Rocky Hill and got to work. While Gavin photographed, I dusted, measured, and took notes on hundreds of objects. Bill helped us move furniture in and out of the set, polished all of the silver, and along the way shared the most amazing stories from a lifetime of collecting. It was truly a team effort. The book is Bill’s legacy, and I very much hope to complete the project for him and for everyone in the Americana field.”
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My apologies to JJT for blowing up the thread on the Antique Bench, I blame Mart as she asked what I was up to! :P
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Hey Jacon4,, this is the most conversation we have had in a while ! Keep it coming ,, I will take the blame !
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LOL, not really much going on here except hiding from the humidity! We are just entering HELL'S FRONT PORCH! weather here in the carolinas. It's semi-tropical here so for the next 6 weeks it's like a steam bath outside. How humid is it? It's so humid that even with central air I have to turn on a seperate whole-house dehumidifier that takes an additional 6 gallons of water out of the air per day all by itself.
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Ha ! About the same here Jacon4 ! Miserable outside !
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The dealer told me it was purchased in Europe and believes it is of Italian Origin.
I absolutely agree with you.