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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: bwiegand on August 23, 2010, 04:36:00 pm
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been in the family for years. Has two devils heads hidden in the artwork. any ideas...help?
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How big is it, first of all and can you post some photos of your devils? What looks demonic to modern eyes may have been seen a little differently in earlier times. There were a lot of traditional mythological faces like that of the North Wind and gargoyles on Victorian furniture that look pretty creepy to us now. Actual devils were sometimes portrayed on furniture that was used to tend the hearth- like a little devil might hang on the pull-chain for a chimney flue. I've seen some scary-looking faces on gothic furniture, violins, picture frames etc. and I've always felt that it represented something different to Victorians than it does to us. That it conveys a powerful, strong, mythological figure rather than a demon.
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Also photos of the construction would help- Hinges, nails, screws, dovetailing, interior and back photos would all help tremendously to date it. VERY beautiful by the way!
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It is tough to look at something sideways so I have rotated the pics for ease of viewing. I could not see any devils but I could not increase the size to see details without the images becoming too pixilated.
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I'm having a devil of a time with the pixies too .
Perhaps a better lit image or two would help members see details better .
Ditto with what talesof said .
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LOL fancy! Agree!
The Green Man was used in lots of furniture and on buildings! Faces were used to ward off spirits, etc. The look of the face matters as to the type it is.
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The head can be seen here. I see no nails anywhere and the door has a pin in the top and bottom and that serves as the hinge. You can see a lock mechanism on the front also.
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The head image looks more like Pan to me.
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another pic of the lock
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one better pic of the head...
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Pan
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Or if not specifically Pan, then at the very least a Satyr...
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The columns look like Egyptian revival lotus columns to me, which would have been all the rage in the 1920's after the discovery of King Tut's tomb. I'm betting your piece dates to the 1920's, and that it's a mix of mythological styles that the maker/artist liked. But I'm not an expert.
Here's an example of a lotus column. There are a couple of basic lotus column styles used in Egyptian temple architecture that became popularized on furniture in the 20's.
(http://comps.fotosearch.com/comp/UNC/UNC270/column-architecture-base_~u14311237.jpg)
Here is a chart of Egyptian revival lotus columns:
(http://buffaloah.com/a/archsty/egypt/jpgs/fletch.jpg)
And an example of their use on fireplace andirons:
(http://www.hawkerantiques.com/assets/CMS/images/thumb/tUQzkbtURs.jpg)
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Omega, I think you are correct. Satyrs were used in decorations on Napolean III furniture designs. I am not familar with any of the attributes of Napolean or Louis style furniture so maybe D&B or someone knowledgeable can interject on this one.
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Here are some more pics. I looked into the napoleon furniture and found some very similar items. My Grandmother and Grandfather were Polish immigrants. There was some speculation of Russian involvement during the "commy" phase. It was never proven although it was looked into by the government. My mother never seemed for sure though. (she passed away on the 23rd of last month by the way. I wish I would have done this with her she would have loved it she was so curious about this piece. I guess you have to know when to spend time with family.) I always figured it to be Polish or Russian. I have a feeling the napoleon direction may be correct though but I am no expert obviously! Two more pics to follow...There is a cord hanging out the back someone modified it with a hole and stuck a cord in at some point....And there is an upholstery tack in one pic by the screw...my Grandfather was an upholsterer.
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The other two pics
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I'm sorry about your mother's passing last month. :-[
In this picture, the screw on the left has a slot that looks really off center. Anybody else think so? Doesn't that mean it is more likely hand made (older than 1920's) rather than machine made? Or just an off-center machine made screw? Gotta zoom in.
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Looking at that pic, the whole case looks fairly crude and handmade (not necessarily a bad thing) or rather folky. The carving shows many rough cuts, the edge of the board shows circular saw marks where it was ripped, and the top boards also have some maker? gouges and rough edges. No top notch cabinet maker would put an exposed screw there (off center slot or not) nor would he (or she) leave rough sawn edges or rough carvings. I am thinking this was made by a local craftsman in whatever country it came from. Date wise it could be earlier than 1920 but probably not earlier than 1890-1900?
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All the same things I was thinking wayward. Especially with the paint drips on the inside, a mass producer or company probably would not let that slide. In my opinion, the fact that it may be home made rather than by a company just makes it more special. The things that are being pointed out do not mean it's sloppy or not well made, just made with a bit more love. :)
I am casting my vote at about 1900. But i'm far from an expert. :P
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I agree, hosman. I love folk art and this is what this piece may be. I bet, in person, it has an absolutely wonderful surface . That patina does not come through in pictures. And if those decorations are all handpainted, that just makes it even better in my opinion.
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Also, I don't know if you're looking for a monetary value but in my neck of the woods (Washington State) it would probably be snatched up in a heartbeat for $700.00. Who knows though, maybe more. Folk art is HOT and something that big and beautiful doesn't show up every day. Depends on where you are though, things like this may be more common in other parts of the US. Location makes a huge difference in antique values. One thing's for sure, don't paint it or refinish it at all! Once it's done, it can never be reversed. If you really, really want it touched up in places, have a professional restorer do the touch ups.
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In my opinion that is a circa 19th century commode that someone decided to “pretty up” post 1900, say about 1920 or 1930+, by painting all those designs and pictures on it.
It wouldn’t surprise me any if the artist’s initials or name is not “hidden” somewhere in his work.
Here is a Louis XV Commode via Google.
(http://www.franceera.com/Franceera_photos/French_antique-commode_4_S.jpg)
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Great point Cogar! I was going to say that in my last post (really, I was!) but I thought it sounded like a stupid idea.
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To quote Forrest Gump "Stupid is as stupid does." However hosman and cogar, we do not think either of you is stupid nor have we seen any stupid ideas from you (yet). ;) Post on with any ideas because they may hit the bullseye and be an "Aha!" moment. In fact, I do not really like the word stupid except when I do something really dumb when I know better. There should be one of those Staples buttons for the workshop that goes "That was stupid". ;D [So I just found out for $8, I can have one of those buttons in the workshop that says "That was stupid" http://www.stupidbuttons.com/stupid-button.html ]
I know I went Aha! when cogar posted it was a gussied up commode. Great observation cogar!
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Great point Cogar! I was going to say that in my last post (really, I was!) but I thought it sounded like a stupid idea.
I believe ya, and was surprised when you didn't ..... after you stated "Especially with the paint drips on the inside".
Dripping paint on a rim, edge or the backside is a pretty reliable clue that it was painted or repainted and the painter didn't think to or forgot to "wipe it off" before it dried.
Most people forget that it takes a while for paint, varnish, etc. to dry and even though it looks OK after you first apply it, ..... gravity will cause it to "flow down" creating those faint "ripples" and/or big "drippies".
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I'm quite curious about the cord that has been 'installed' in your cabinet .
Sometimes folks would fabricate a hidden un-locking mechanism/latch to keep kids/stranges/servants out of liquor/gun etc. cabinets ; also would use strings/levers for 'parlor tricks' with bells/musical boxes, etc .
There may be evidence of 'rings' from bottles , or signs that a latching/locking device component(s) were once mounted inside of your cabinet .
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As Artie Johnson would say......"Very Intersting"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IHAZeqwQvA&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IHAZeqwQvA&feature=related)
The even made a record Arte/Ruth (She lives near me and still looks fabulous!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlm4O_ltgtk
OOPS HIJACK!!!!!!