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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: mariok54 on January 25, 2011, 11:54:30 am
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At least I left my options open in my message to Hosman on Sunday !
I went back to take another look at the clock and bought it for £60 (c $90) ... But only just. When I arrived at the corner where the clock was there was another chap taking a great deal of interest in it, so I hovered. and hovered, thinking if he buys it, well, c'est la vie.
After about 5 minutes of poking around in it he disappeared, so I took another look, and decided that it really was worth the original asking price, never mind the agreed price of £60. So I grabbed it and went to a counter, and saw the same chap standing there, looking very unhappy at me holding 'his' clock. The actual clock owner works at the centre, recalled the discussion that took place on Sunday and we agreed on the £60. Even before money changed hands, the other customer was offering to buy it off me, for £90! I declined. I felt really quite guilty at getting the clock so cheaply, and for stealing it from under that chap's nose! But that is life ;D
I've done some homework, and the maker (probably of the cabinet) was a William A Colpman of Wellingborough Northamptonshire, but can't find anything else about him.
The Dial is in dire need of restoration, but she works beautifully and really sounds sweet.
The actual clock movement could be American, I haven't taken it apart yet, but it is a very interesting Pendulum, with a Fast / Slow Indicator, which I am sure is from the States (I've seen Ansonia ones similar that fetch $40 just for the pendulum). there is a Pat Number which I'll have to check (I think it reads March 1st 1881).
I'm pleased with it ... I'll have to tell my wife it's an early Birthday present to myself!
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Nice find Mario!! I think it was meant to be yours seeing how you showed up just in time. When looking at the small pic I thought the two decorative pieces at the top (on each side) were motorcycles!! hehehe
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Nice one, Oceans! Easy Rider 1890 !!
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Mariok beautiful piece I would have coughed up the dough for it also!!! It will be a lovely addition to your home ;D
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This page has a link to a short paper for a cost... but it says:
Colpman, William A of Wellingborough and Kings Lynn A brief document giving some working dates for William A Colpman of Wellingborough and Kings Lynn. This page shows 4 photos of a clock with his name on it. (07 Apr 2008)
http://www.clockswatches.com/showindex.php?em=C&page=3
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Hi Oceans,
Thanks for that. I did see it first time round, but was put off by the word 'subscription' .. looked at it again and it seems I can search for as little as 99p ! I think I miahg try that! Thanks again ;D
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Very pretty clock! Now you need an Eastlake rocker to match it! LOL!
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Nice looking clock mario! Well worth the money!
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Very pretty clock! Now you need an Eastlake rocker to match it! LOL!
What a lovely idea ... can you send me one? ;D
You know that when you buy something, say a Beetle, then you start noticing them everywhere? Well, we went to two Antique Centres over the weekend, and I returned to one today, and I found myself unintentionally looking for rockers ... NOT ONE! I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that we just don't see them much over here. Plenty of modern ones, but very few antique ones ... otherwise my wife would be sitting in one right now!
And thanks to Oceans I will now forever see a pair of Easy Rider Penny Farthings whenever I look at the clock!! ;D
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Think I'm in love!!! :D
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And thanks to Oceans I will now forever see a pair of Easy Rider Penny Farthings whenever I look at the clock!! ;D
I do what I can ;D
I know what you mean... Had Tales not posted her rocker, I would have never sat in mine. Didn't even know I needed one!!!
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Subscribed for a single item and got some info on the maker.
William A Colpman was born in 1861 in Peterborough.
By 1881, William, now 20, had moved away from home and he was lodging at All Saints Street, Kings Lynn. He gave his occupation as ‘Watchmaker’. By 1890, William A was listed in the local traded directory as working at 9 Sheep Street, Wellingborough. In the 1891 census William gave his age as 33 (born 1858) and was head of the household at 9 Sheep Street and was a watchmaker. He was living there with a housekeeper/domestic lady.
By 1898, William had moved to 8 Market Street and in 1901 William(38) was listed in the census as head of the household at Market Street and still gave his occupation as a watchmaker. He was living there with his wife Catherine E (40). In the 1903 Kellys directory of Northamptonshire trade directory William was still trading at 8 Market Street. William was no longer listed in any Northamptonshire trade directories I have from 1906 onwards.
There are 4 photos but all of the same clock.
Looks like he wasn't very prolific..
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And thanks to Oceans I will now forever see a pair of Easy Rider Penny Farthings whenever I look at the clock!! ;D
I do what I can ;D
I know what you mean... Had Tales not posted her rocker, I would have never sat in mine. Didn't even know I needed one!!!
Fun to see how this forum influences our lives!
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Very nice !! I know you will enjoy your " early " birthday present !!
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And thanks to Oceans I will now forever see a pair of Easy Rider Penny Farthings whenever I look at the clock!!
Big wheels, mario, big wheels.
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I can see why it appealed to everyone.Congrats.
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I could have saved 99p had I more faith in our public services. I e-mailed the library at Wellingborough asking if they knew of any local historical societies who could help me with info on the clockmaker ... and they replied first thing this morning!
Hello Mario,
William Arthur Colpman was a watch-maker at 9 Sheep Street by 1884 until at least 1890. he was trading from 8 Market Street by 1894, still there in 1903, and was gone by 1906.
Other Colpmans lived in Oxford Street (George) and Church Street (John, later Mrs).
In 1910, a Mrs Colpman lived at 110 Gold Street, still there in 1928, but gone in 1931. 110 Gold Street was built after 1896.
9 Sheep Street had previously been John Peck watchmaker, and later was Hunters watchmaker until the Arndale (Swansgate) shopping centre was built (shop was where the Sheep Street escalator now is - we have contact with a descendant)
8 Market Street became Morris Smith Jewellers, still trading in Silver Street (Maxines).
If we can find more from any census, we will let you know.
Regards
Robert Wharton
But the other site is a really valuable source of info, and deserve supporting, and so I also e-mailed them pics of my clock, so very different to the ones they already had, and they they e-mailed back expressing their gratitude. Nice
http://www.clockswatches.com/singlepage.php?em=7,0,bxxc,,bhnn-hn-bl_hv:bx:cl,M.V._XLNYXCAI,di5w1gmf6uw6s8ws6.dqe
BTW .. am having problems trying to get the patent info on the Pendulum .. any ideas how I can find it? I've tried the US Patent Office site but just seem to go in circles :(
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I will look for you mario and if I am successful I will tell you how to do it.
This looks like your pendulum http://www.google.com/patents?id=8flAAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=pendulum+march+1,+1881&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q=pendulum%20march%201%2C%201881&f=false
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Hey Wayward! Thanks for that ...
The clock is now coming back to life :)
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Hey mario, this is how I found it. Go to Google, see the horizontal list starting with Web Images etc., put cursor over to more with the down arrow, expand it to a drop down menu, go down to "even more" with the arrow, expand that, go down the list to "Patent Search" and open that. Type, in the search box, the patent date and whatever will help you narrow it down faster, in this case "pendulum March 1, 1881".
You have to remember when something is marked "patented" it may mean only one aspect of the item was patented. Could be the method of construction, a certain part, a certain improvement, etc. If you have to search just by the date, you may have to go through pages before you find the right patent. Of course, a patent number is much quicker than a date.
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Invaluable! Thanks for that Wayward!
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I was wrong Again!
When searching for info on the Pendulum to try to establish the maker, I came across a very interesting forum on all things clocks and watches, and posted a thread on this one... got this response...
Welcome to the Message Board. Your clock is called the Dee, and it was indeed (no pun!) made by New Haven. Tran Duy Ly's book on New Haven Clocks and Watches shows it from the 1886 catalogue. It could also have been made a few years either side of that year. It is made of black (or American) walnut, which was popular in the 1880's for this general style of clock, popularly called parlor or kitchen (shelf) clocks, as Jonathan indicated. Some prefer to apply the term kitchen clock to the later pressed oak clocks, which gained popularity in the 1890's. I personally much prefer the walnuts.
New Haven did a fair amount of overseas business in the U.K., particularly through its Jerome & Co. "subsidiary/division." Colpman seems to have been the retailer.
This is a very nice looking clock. Enjoy.
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I hope you are not disappointed in finding out the true maker as roughly $105 was a bargain. My wife's folks have one of the pressed oak kitchen clocks in a similar style and if I remember correctly $80-100 was spent getting it cleaned and running.
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I really like the style of your clock! Very Nice.
I agree with previous posts that you don't realize you "need" certain items until you see them posted on this site! This site has definitely expanded my horizons and desires for new "old" items.
I just LOVE this forum!
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Hi Wayward,
I'm not at all disappointed, in fact I'm happy with knowing who the makers were and who the retailer was, and it's a few years older than I initially thought. And £60 still seems a real bargain. ;D
I found myself musing over it this afternoon, thinking back to that watchmaker in his shop in Wellingborough, possibly c 1890, taking delivery of that clock from America. How long would it have taken that clock to get from New Haven to Northamptonshire back then? What would Mr Colpman have thought if someone had told him that in c 120 years in the future pictures of that clock as well as what was known of 'his' history, would be crossing the Atlantic in a fraction of a second?
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What a cool thought! ;D
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BTW the forum can be found at:
http://mb.nawcc.org/index.php
and it seems a brilliant place for anyone with a question about antique clocks :)