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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: gingertomantiques on February 22, 2011, 05:14:58 am
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Hi all
i need some help from the military specialists.
i have a powder horn that i bought at auction & i have for sale on ebay but would like to add info about the scrimshaw work & the regiment.
It is British looks 18thC
thanks
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170607004680&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_988wt_883
Apologies for ebay link but tried to upload photos without success
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think ive sorted the pics
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Neato, a self measuring powder horn. Never seen one before now.
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This looks more like a horn for holding lead shot to me, especially with that brass measurer attached. I have seen that brass measuring attachment usually on leather shot bags. Very nice looking horn. What unscrews so you can fill it?
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the barrel measure unscrews leaving the ring which is riveted to the horn. i think it is for powder as the front divider appears to be missing ( see hole on arm above front slot ) & the base is copper which was used with powder as it will not spark causing ignition. also lf lead shot then would be a hunting horn so would expect a none military scrimshaw design.
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The brass valve on your horn is typically used for shot and not powder. The powder would leak out from the cutoff slots. See http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartList.aspx?catID=1&subID=17&styleID=77 for new reproduction English style chargers. Scrimshaw on a horn can depict anything the owner favored and was not restricted to what the horn's purpose was.
You have a nice horn, gingertomantiques. Most shot holders are leather bags or pouches.
The pic below is a new English style shot charger valve.
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Wow. My hubby is drooling.
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thanks wayward - any body know the regiment
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If it were a Regimental Crest, should it not have a motto?
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Mario, not necessarily. I did some looking around earlier today and saw some similar designs but could not find one with three cannons. I think the crown is Queen Victoria which puts it before 1901. I also was focusing mainly on horse artillery batteries which I think it comes from. the one site that I thought would be good, I had a lot of problems with and all pics were red 'X' out. The site was diggerhistory. I cannot find a British site that has images of all the crest types. I have had much better luck researching US military emblems.
The other thing I found odd was all three cannons face right. In almost all images with cannons from British units, the cannons face left (gunners badges face right) or are 2 crossed cannon barrels. I have no idea what that significance is.
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I tried searching for guns, cannons, carronades, cannonades and had no luck finding an insignia like this.
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I found a Royal Australian Army Corps crest with 3 cannons but it also has 3 cannon balls. http://www.raaoc.asn.au/?q=node/43
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Hmmm, the scrimshaw on the horn has 4 cannon balls around the circumference of the circle. Wrong crown but cannons are the right type so this horn could date to 1823.
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Getting closer...Royal Army Ordnance crest maybe...
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thanks everyone, had a thought
if its for shot & therefor possibly hunting & not military, could it be an heraldic coat coat of arms
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A banner of the shield of the Ordnance Board Seal; possibly the flag of the Master General. On 30th July 1806 the shield was registered with the College of Arms.
http://flagspot.net/flags/gb~fleet.html#ora
At least we now have 3 cannons facing to the right and dating to the 1820s by the style of cannon?