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Title: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: lindasguy on September 12, 2011, 02:51:33 pm
OK Guys. At ironlord's request here is my Fenton piece I found at a goodwill. I am not a glass collector but I seen the circled Fenton and picked it up for $3.99. It wasn't until I got it home that I noticed the flaw. Pretty obvious now though. I am guessing cranberry in color but I really am clueless. Just thought I'd share this with you all.
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: ironlord1963 on September 12, 2011, 02:58:29 pm
     Yea not sure this is a Fenton, Will have to look through a few books when I get home from work, unless someone "Sapphire"  beats me too it  :P .   Yes I would call this cranberry glass, but does not quite look art glass enough for fenton.  Thanks for posting
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: mart on September 12, 2011, 03:01:42 pm
Can we see the mark please ??
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: snowflake on September 12, 2011, 03:03:09 pm
If you don't mind my asking: What is the obvious flaw? I would love to know.
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: ironlord1963 on September 12, 2011, 03:08:18 pm
    I think he is talking about the crimp on the edge is not quite right
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: GreenhornGirl on September 12, 2011, 03:17:49 pm
I would agree with Ironlord that it doesn't look quite artsy enough to be Fenton.  Try to post the mark if you can.
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: mart on September 12, 2011, 03:19:02 pm
That color looks like the newer stuff !!  Not old cranberry !!
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: lindasguy on September 12, 2011, 04:28:51 pm
Ok ironlord here's the mark you wanted. This is why I thought it was a Fenton. Maybe I'm wrong lol.
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: ironlord1963 on September 12, 2011, 04:34:34 pm
   Wow That sure looks like a legit mark for Fenton.  Guess I got my work cut out for me after work looking around.  Could be a fake mark, but usually not many fake Fenton's , just not valueable enough for that.
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: snowflake on September 12, 2011, 04:57:35 pm
Thanks for the info. It is a pretty vase. I can't wait to see this mystery unravel.
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: lindasguy on September 12, 2011, 05:25:42 pm
I would assume it's one of their newer pieces ( but I've been wrong once or twice lol ) but just how common is it to see such an obvious flaw? Or were they just not caring anymore? I'm anxiously waiting for your report on the piece ironlord. I have faith in you! Thanks
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: GreenhornGirl on September 12, 2011, 05:47:35 pm
snowflake, I love you on this board...you are so enthusiastic about everything  ;D
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: wendy177 on September 12, 2011, 05:55:29 pm
Factory "seconds" or sub-standard pieces were sold in the Fenton Gift Shop. Fenton has always released factory seconds. These items were not in mint condition from the start, making them less desirable for collectors. I believe this is what you have. It  also looks as if your piece has a small 8 under the logo this would indicate your piece was made during the 80s. Fenton used this oval mark beginning in 1970, and later added the "8" to denote the 1980s. Subsequent decades were marked "9" for 1990s and "0" for 2000.
I would still hang on to this piece since no more art glass will be made by Fenton.



Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: ironlord1963 on September 12, 2011, 06:17:37 pm
O.k. in my second book I found the name.  It is called Honeycomb (Bubble Optic).  They only mention it being made in Blue optix, and Green overlay.  But it is for sure what you have.  These was made in 1951 - 1953, that is the Blue and Green ones.  As mentioned by wendy, if if has this mark it was made post 1972, this is when this mark was being used.  This was probably made with the Honeycomb mold post 1980's, However the one in the picture does not have the "Flaw".  I still have two more books to look through maybe it will give me a bit more.
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: ironlord1963 on September 12, 2011, 06:19:26 pm
Correction, it appears there is a 8 under the logo, which wendy is right 1980's would be the date, 9 would be 90's and so on.
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: ironlord1963 on September 12, 2011, 06:27:18 pm
    The other two books came up empty, except one had the Blue optix, wow what a nice piece, the body is the same but the crimp is different.  Have one on replacements here is the link.

http://www.replacements.com/webquote/FENBUOB.htm
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: snowflake on September 12, 2011, 07:14:42 pm
snowflake, I love you on this board...you are so enthusiastic about everything  ;D

It's hard not to be. It's all so interesting!  :D
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: sapphire on September 12, 2011, 07:31:13 pm
Now that date on this one is way before the 80's, but the shape is called a Pinch Vase (if their info is correct) ....... and this is a swirl not bubble design. Don't know if that helps any at all. The lip is very clear and uniform which would suggest to me as well that it was a flawed second.

http://www.cyberattic.com/stores/pasttreasures/items/866968/item866968cyberattic.html
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: sapphire on September 12, 2011, 07:37:22 pm
Unmarked but dated as '42-'48 and listed as 'Diamond' Optic?

http://www.ioffer.com/i/fenton-cranberry-pitcher-glasses-a335-free-shipping-24002822


Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: lindasguy on September 12, 2011, 07:42:01 pm
Thanks guys, I'm learning so much from you. It is all greatly appreciated. And I always look forward to responses. You guys are awesome. I love this place!
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: sapphire on September 12, 2011, 07:44:41 pm
Another listed as a 'Pinch' vase, includes the number 8 in the listing but not much else.

Spiral Optic

Estimate $50 - $100
Starting Bid $25

SOLD $55

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5168483
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: sapphire on September 12, 2011, 07:46:38 pm
Well I'd say it's definitely a Pinch Vase   :D

http://www.google.com/search?q=fenton+honeycomb+cranberry&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=vq9uTrGoOsHd0QGsg6GTCg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1221&bih=668#hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=fenton+pinch+vase&pbx=1&oq=fenton+pinch+vase&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=3721l8087l0l8550l24l16l0l0l0l9l420l4219l0.3.5.6.1l15l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=f217500d018a5037&biw=1221&bih=668
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: greenacres on September 13, 2011, 06:21:38 pm
I have two large books of Fenton glass. There is only one section with the pinched vases. Robert Barber Collection. 1975-1976 It's the hanging heart series. The large 8" vases is quoted at 175-185.00 and th3 4" is 75.00 5" 125-150.00 and the 6" 150-175.00
  I'm still looking to see if I can find your vase exactly, but as of yet I haven't.
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: lindasguy on September 13, 2011, 11:15:02 pm
Thanks everyone, and no hurry greenacres, its not going anywhere for a while ;)
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: fentonfrk on October 12, 2011, 09:59:22 pm
I cant believe you picked this up for only $3.99! I could tell straight away that it was Fenton before i saw that it was marked. Obviously a newer piece because of the thickness of the glass and color. I would say a fair current value would be $30 to $40 easy. Great find!
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: ironlord1963 on October 12, 2011, 10:03:59 pm
Welcome Back Fentonfrk, really good to see you again.  We need a good Fenton expert
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: fentonfrk on October 12, 2011, 10:09:12 pm
Thanks. Im really excited to see more Fenton showing up on here!
Title: Re: Not quite right Fenton
Post by: lindasguy on October 13, 2011, 12:44:03 am
Thanks fentonfrk. Nice to meet you.