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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: GreenhornGirl on September 28, 2011, 02:02:25 pm
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A couple of Nippon plates...apparently the value varies greatly on these types of pieces, and unfortunately I haven't been able to find any matches to these yet. One is 9.75" and 2" deep, the other is 5" and 1" deep.
The bottom of them are stamped "Hand painted Nippon" with a leaf that looks like a maple leaf. The larger one also has a circular green brushstroke marking on the bottom. Both have textured beading detail and gold details.
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More pics.
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Oh GG what beauties in near perfect condition!!! The maple leaf Nippon mark (yours)dates back to 1891. have more info but need to run out will post later :)
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Thank you and thank you!! :) I knew there would be someone here who knew about Nippon pieces...I've always heard about them but this was my first chance to buy some. I was excited. Still am! ;D
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Beautiful pieces, the detail is fantastic!
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Thank you! The small one is my favorite.
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In your first photo they look to be a dinner plate & bread plate . in your 3rd hpoto they look to be berry bowls, many of these were sold in variety assortments to retailers. This is how they were advertised to retailers - 19 styles - chocolate, berry and tea sets,cups & saucers, plates, mustard pots, bowls,sugar shaker, salt & pepper white china enameled traced hand painted floral & Japanese landscape decorations. 12 dozen per case total for assortment $12.96 with only an order # My old ads for Nippon does not have your pattern. But here is an old company design sketch with probably the begging works of your pattern but on a vase. I would say the value with the large size of one of the pieces and with matching piece $65.00 - $100.00
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Just beautiful, GG!
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Thanks, Wendy! May I ask how you determined the date based on the backstamp? I'd love to be more informed on how to determine that. I really appreciate your answer, thank you soooo much :)
Thx, snow!
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GG , you may feel like checking out more info @ : www.gotheborg.com
I'm really wondering about the lack of wear on the bottom of your cool little items ...
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First thing hit me just like you fancypants...but... if it is like so many items...they are put up to save for company and may be never used! Thus, no wear/tear!
However, in caution, there have been knockoffs!!!!
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Like KC said ...
Also , I've never seen 'authentic' Nori have under-glaze 'defects' in the china ... or such an unclear hallmark .
I think it's aways best to get a hands-on , when dealing with Nori that's tough to identify ....
Just sayin' , (not to be a stick-in-the mud) thass' all .
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Yup I too thought the same with them in such good shape front & back but all of my books containing reproductions, fakes & fantasy pieces do not contain one reproduction piece in this pattern. I would say they are the real deal that spent lots of time in grandmas china cabinet. :) GG as far as dates my favorite Nippon book Nippon porcelain by Joan F. van patten has pages & pages of marks used with dates & info.
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I don't think these are knock-offs...the collector whose personal property auction I bought these from had had them in storage for a long time and a lot of her pieces still had price tags on them and were never used by her at all. They were at a bottom of a box of her things.
I should phrase that better: it was actually a family of three lifelong collectors, mother, son, and daughter. They accumulated 3 buildings worth of items that sat in storage for a very, very long time. The pieces that were outside of boxes were often in rough condition with years of cobwebs, rat dung, you name it in and on them. The stuff that was nestled into boxes was in much better, nearly pristine condition. Not to say that we don't all get fooled by repros once in a while...but I'm pretty sure they knew their stuff, and she also had other really old, authentic items that I've verified.
What is Nori? Also, what are the underglaze flaws? The only underglaze things I found were the brushstroke marks that I thought were by an inspector, artist or worker...I have some early 1900s porcelain china that has multiple intentional markings like that (also the color of the paint doesn't match any colors in the plate, like it was intentionally used for marking).
Thanks all for your input!
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Oh, also...the larger plate has more wear of the gold paint around the edges. The smaller plate is in better condition.
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And thanks for the book info, Wendy! I'm always on the lookout for new books on collectables :)
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Apologies if this hijacks the thread but I was intrigued by the similarities of the OP's dishes and an old bowl that has been stored in my house for 30 years. It came from my stepdad's old house in southern Illinois. I know nothing about markings but can find none on this item.
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That looks quite different to me Jondar !! Looks more like the Bavarian pieces !! Hers looks thick while yours looks quite thin and delicate !! I am looking at the edges of the bowl !! But could just be the pic !!
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Hi Jondar! You should put this bowl in a new topic so more people will notice it. I wish I could help. It's a gorgeous bowl and even I want to know what it is! Hope you find out.
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Agree mart looks European
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Mart - You are quite correct. It is very thin and light. Like lifting a feather.
Snowflake - Good suggestion. I have the feeling that this was the property of my stepdad Wallace's grandfather who returned from serving in the 10th Illinois Regiment in the CW. He built the old house this came from. I gave a lot of the items to the Goodwill but I just couldn't part with this.
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I just want to check if I am learning. The style looks like stuff listed as prussia porcelain. Am I way off? Sorry for asking. Just curious.
My guess would be a berry bowl listed under prussia. I am finding very similar ones using that search. I'll keep looking. I am in love with these things! They are all so beautiful...
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Thanks fancypants! Gotheborg.com helped me to date some Nippon and Satsuma that I have.