Dutch Faience or ?

[gerspee]

One off my long time collected ceramics . Would like to hear your idea's about it's origin and age . Size 35 width and 5 cm height . I think it could be by a Dutch maker from Haarlem from around the 17th century ?  :DSo help needed

[cogar]

My question  is, when did they first start making decorative plates with holes in rim of the base (underside) so that they could be hung on a peg or nail for display?

[gerspee]

On the Delftware plates starting in the 16th century the holes are already made to hang the plates to show . So early enough for my plate I think    The photo is a 17th century Dutch plate made in Haarlem

[mart]

I don`t think so Gerspee,, can you post a link to the source of your information !!

[gerspee]

http://www.bb-worksofart.com/Glass-Ceramics/Ceramics/A-Dutch-Haarlem-maiolica-polychrome-embossed-border-plate.-noppenbordje 

https://www.rm-auctions.com/en/european-ceramics-and-works-of-art/6700-a-polychrome-dutch-maiolica-plate-with-adam-and-eve-ca-1600

http://www.onlinegalleries.com/art-and-antiques/detail/dutch-delft-polychrome-lobed-dish-17th-century/307148

This a few just from the internet

[cogar]

It appears your plate is neither characteristic of Gaudy Welsh or Gaudy Dutch, so I don’t have a clue what its origin is.

[mart]

Cogar,, can you enlarge the last pic  ??  Would like to see the numbers ? at the bottom !!  Doesn`t seem right for 16th century !!

[cogar]

Mart, here it is, …… but its distorted and blurry.

But it does look like a "Run #"

[cogar]

Here, I enlarged it some more.



And Mart, there are nine (9) digits in that mark or number.

 A round circle (like a copyright mark), … a small mark ,,… larger mark …. then 4 marks …. then a dash or minus sign ….. then the last mark.

To wit, like so, …..   @ * &  &8&& - 1

[gerspee]

I think this is a written number made later then the plate . Probaly made with a felt tip and a inventory number maybe from the owner ?