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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: yattypat on July 01, 2012, 02:17:23 PM
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Greetings, I have been interested in antiques for decades and somewhat capable of research ;-) I recently acquired these pieces in a storage auction. They are very beautiful and excellent shape but I can not find any info on what they are or the signature. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks and good will.
Patty
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http://www.gotheborg.com/marks/index_jap_marks.htm I'm checking out this web site.
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thanks greenacres. gotheberg has a nice site, I have used it before but didn't see my marks on there for this piece. Do you think they are japanese? Can anyone tell me what these are called or perhaps the era>
Thanks again
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http://www.chinese-antique-porcelain.com/antique-porcelain-marks.html Have you tried this site?
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Hi Patty Beautiful pieces how big are they?? They are not Chinese or Japanese, I believe the mark is an artist signature/ mark. Also from your photo look to be transfer printed porcelain with gilded metal tops & bases. Very Victorian feel, and for some reason I am pulled toward thinking they are in the Limoges family/ style. Your mark seems to have a 5. s and a fancy K. I think the gilded metal bases with acorn design may hold some keys, Try searching transfer printed porcelain with gilded metal tops & bases acorn design (or a variation along those lines) good luck
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Hey thanks Wendy, I have exhausted my search for chinese or japanese lol. I think you have great points for me to refocus my reseach. I thought it looked like chinese/japanese character marks. I forgot to add on my original post that there is also a 56J, a 3 laying in a different direction and another imprint I can't make out. I didn't even think to research the very specific gilt detail, I am sleepy today lol. I really appreaciate all the feed back. There is so much to know and learn, I am always amazed. I am hoping they are worth something as I deffinetly got caught up in the biding war and paid a wee bit more than my comfort zone for the storage locker I got them from. But then, no risk no gain either. Take care
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Wendy is right !! Not either one !! Odd signature !!
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The vases are marked with similar artist mark painted on and a 569 stamped in pottery. They measure 13" tall and 7" wide including gilt metal. The middle piece is stamped 569 as well and measures from top of gilt handle to bottom of foot 11" tall and from gilt handle to handle 14.5". The bottom and inside of the pieces are a beautiful yellow, so I guess this is transferware??? Still a rookie. I am also adding pictures of the bottom marks. There is the 569, and sideways 3, and another small mark I can't make out or recognize. Again I really truly appreciate any help!!
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hope the new pictures help
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Hi again. I am wondering if these could be Minton? Please see additional pictures. Any help appreciated. Looks like some marks I found from the 1800's Minton. If anyone has a good reference for Minton let me know. Thanks again
Patty
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http://www.pottery-english.com/forum/ You can always try a post here.
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Thank you I will go there. xx
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Let us know what you find out. I'm curious because I didn't see a Minton marking like that.
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I will for sure. I have been looking all day, good grief :-) Looking at Sevres and learning about brass mounts and ormolu. Phew! I tried to get into the site you posted but was banned because I typed in a 4 instead of four in the security question area. Will try again later, looks like a good place to post.
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Also try here !! Chris Marshall is our resident porcelain expert and site owner !! Hoped he would pop in on a couple of the items posted !!
http://www.porcelainmarksandmore.com/resources/fake_n_repro/00.php This is an excellent site to use if you are interested in porcelain !!
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Let us know what you learn about brass mounts and ormolu. I've got some (possible) Muller Freres glass vases with gilt metal cradles.
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HI, I think I may have found something. See attached photo. It looks like a Luneville mark and from 1880 according to the site I found it on. Please let me know what you think. It is a K and a G
Thanks again.
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Here is the site I found the mark at:
http://infofaience.com/en/luneville-marks
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I did a search of Lumeville Pottery. If you check the images it's not right, as I search French Potteries that came up from that I saw Thoune Pottery. Check that out.
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I wish Chris Marshall had taken a look at this one !!
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Hi all, I am sticking to the Luneville for now. I think it is a K and G which stands for Keller and Guerin. If you google Keller and Guerin the images look more like my pieces. This is a tricky one. I have also seen a few with the similar stamped mark that looks kinda like a C and r, or something. I have not found any pieces with my same K G mark. Only saw the mark on this web site: http://infofaience.com/en/luneville-marks.
SO HERES A KICK. I sent pics to a few auction houses. Bonhans got back to me and is forwarding to their porcelain expert and this morning Keno auctions asked for more images to have Leigh Keno (Antiques Roadshow twin) himself look at it. LOL I feel kinda like a celeb. :-)
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Let us know what you find out !! I am curious too !!
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That's great and so cool! I saw the faicence. It is closer. Good luck! Maybe you made a be score ;D.
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I came across this preview of a book on Luneville, Keller & Guerin. Check out the third one down, far right. I've copied, cropped and rotated it for a closer look. Difficult to read the print but am seeing something about the 'production of Saint Clement' and 'after the mark for the KG' as well as 'after (appears to be) 1892' .......... relying on my long, long ago French lessons from junior high :P
http://www.lepuitsauxlivres.com/produit-la-faiencerie-de-luneville-1786-1923-keller-guerin-en.html
http://www.lepuitsauxlivres.com/DataPuits//downloads/Produit/1295006379_3224303.jpg
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Another site attributed this mark to Taxile Doat (1851-1038) who worked for Sevres Pottery from 1877-1905. A comment on the photograph by a Paul Arthur in 2010 states "The signature is not Taxile Doat, but Keller et Guerin at Luneville.
Kind regards"
http://chicagocraftsmanblog.com/category/pottery-sevres/
http://chicagocraftsmanblog.com/2009/05/taxile-doat-pottery/#comments
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OMG I think I found the closest one yet! :o hehe
http://www.french-antique-dealers.com/item/49814/luneville-faience-cachepot-by-keller-and-guerin
Although the K and G are not at the same rotation as yours I think you can feel pretty safe with the Keller and Guerin ;)
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And another.......
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/10987434_pr-keller-and-guerin-luneville-gilt-and-cobalt-vases
"Pr Keller & Guerin, Luneville gilt decorated cobalt pottery vases, crowned lion rampant decoration with overall fleur de lis, bottom with a gilt KG conjoined mark, after 1880, perfect condition, 13 3/4" tall"
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One last blurb before I head to bed.........
http://www.oldandsold.com/pottery/france4.shtml
First row, fourth down.....attributed to Luneville, Keller & Guerin
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Sapphire thats awesome thank you. I am so impressed with this site and all of the help I have been given. It sure is a lot easier with extra detectives, so to speak, helping out. I had no idea what direction to take and every comment helped me get closer and just learn more in general.
That is what I love especially about research, it makes me that much keener about antiques in general and a better eye for that next big garage sale or thrift score. 8)
I think I am fairly safe to say that my pieces are from approx 1880-1890. If I don't hear back from Kenos auction soon I am thinking about listing them on Ebay so I can start recooping my money invested. I am NOT a big Ebay fan so hopefully Kenos will take them. Any help with description would be greatly appreciated. Does anyone have a description for the flower on the pattern? It reminds me of a thistle???? What is the middle vessel called?
Take care
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Excellent research Sapphire !!
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How will you judge the value to list them on ebay?
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yattypat I would call it a jardiniere (came to me in a brief flash this morning, duh). I took a very quick search to see if I could find another Luneville K&G one and came up with this hit.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200632985861#vi-desc
These are the times when I wish I hadn't dropped French. :P
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I'd bet a bit of money that this is another set, but aside from this picture I grabbed I couldn't enter the site. It's a blog, by invite only. :(
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Another..... but this one bears the Luneville mark, not the K&G
http://en.expertissim.com/french-earthenware/earthenware-jardiniere-luneville-o12121308.html
**Just noticed on closer inspection there is a KG incorporated in the mark, all I noticed was the larger Luneville.....the 'swirls' around/through the name are actually the KG ;)
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A pair of vases ...... again from the ebay France site. Seems to be a general consensus of an 1880ish date
http://cgi.ebay.fr/Paire-de-vases-de-Maison-Keller-Guerin-a-Luneville-/130726968706?pt=FR_YO_MaisonJardin_Decoration_ObjetsdeDecoration&hash=item1e6fef3d82#ht_500wt_1180
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Thank you Sapphire for solving the mystery. Curiosity killed the cat, lol.
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Thank you Sapphire for solving the mystery. Curiosity killed the cat, lol.
You're so right about the curiosity part greenacres. For some reason these beautiful pieces have certainly peaked mine.
The Luneville, Kellerl/Guerin and Saint Clement association has furthered that.......what was the actual connection??
Found this little bit.......
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WOW you ladies are good! ;) I was a little confused about calling the middle piece a jardinier as it is often used for vases. I think they can all be called Jardinier perhaps. Thanks again for all the help. I have another mystery piece I am hoping to post today. Can't find any marks on it. Hopefully you can all help guide me with that piece too.
Patty
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Very interesting!