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Title: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: kidden6968 on July 07, 2012, 05:19:31 PM: Ok another of gram's dressing table items. I have been trying to find a match to the mark and so far no luck. I am trying to determine age and authenticity of mark I guess. Value is always a desire. Although there are no chips, cracks, breaks or repairs, there is quite a bit of crazing and some staining so I am sure that affects it greatly.

Any information would be appreciated. ;D
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: kidden6968 on July 07, 2012, 05:21:12 PM: Wow the crazing looks so much worse in pictures. When you see it sitting on a table, it looks perfect! :-\
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: aDawn on July 07, 2012, 05:34:42 PM: Quote from: kidden6968 on July 07, 2012, 05:21:12 PM
Wow the crazing looks so much worse in pictures. When you see it sitting on a table, it looks perfect! :-\

As far as I know, crazing isn't a bad thing. As long as it's genuine it's just an indication of age. If it didn't have the crazing there would be doubts to its age. About to search a bit on your mark there, just didn't want you to worry about the crazing :)
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: aDawn on July 07, 2012, 05:49:58 PM: What are the measurements on this? I'm not sure it's meant for a toothbrush .

found your mark on a tureen, but haven't learned much yet:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/White-Ironstone-John-WedgeWood-Fluted-Pearl-Tureen-/190321286121#ht_1073wt_1396

Other than that I'm not seeing this mark...maybe I'm getting the wording wrong. Hopefully someone else pipes in on this one too
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: sapphire on July 07, 2012, 06:11:29 PM: Little bit more here.......

http://books.google.ca/books?id=6_NfsBupdt8C&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq=j.+wedgwood+pottery+pearl&source=bl&ots=D8SF8pFhLF&sig=MaLKaJa1_7LTvyo7rRMMomdtmQc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rsz4T6G_H6fs0gHgroXNBg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=j.%20wedgwood%20pottery%20pearl&f=false

I grabbed a screen shot of the relevant paragraph.

Plus a 2007 listing for two pieces with some makers mark descriptions (no pictures)

http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-8797.html

** J. Wedgwood was JOHN Wedgwood, not the more familiar JOSIAH
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: aDawn on July 07, 2012, 06:16:30 PM: I saw some of the same things as you, Sappire. But I couldn't find anything about the blue, just white.
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: sapphire on July 07, 2012, 06:31:15 PM: I thought it was white, just a bluish cast from the lighting......could be wrong on that though ;)

I think it's a brush box! (googled images of antique ironstone brush box after seeing it mentioned somewhere)

Here's a toilet set from another maker. I snagged a pic of the inside of the brush box.

http://www.rubylane.com/item/561813-8004/Boote-Sydenham-White-Ironstone-Toilet
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: greenacres on July 07, 2012, 07:15:53 PM: John Wedge Wood, Burslem and Tunstall, Staffordshire, England, Earthenware, printed, various pattern names. (1841-1860)
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: aDawn on July 07, 2012, 07:17:01 PM: Aaah, now that makes sense. Wondered why I couldn't find any blue :P

So brush box. Is that for a hairbrush or toothbrush?
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: greenacres on July 07, 2012, 07:25:05 PM: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=john+wedge+wood+burslem+and+tunstall&FORM=HDRSC2 This is your mark.
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: mart on July 07, 2012, 07:26:26 PM: http://www.thepotteries.org/mark/w/wedge_wood.html Here is your mark !! I have seen toothbrush holders like this before !!
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: greenacres on July 07, 2012, 07:32:45 PM: http://www.hydroponicsonline.com/store/Antique1842-White-Ironstone-Large-Sugar-Bowl-w-Lid-J-Wedgwood-John-Wedge-Wood_310354117036.html I think it is a condiment tray with lid not a vanity set.
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: kidden6968 on July 07, 2012, 08:17:11 PM: Wow thanks for all the replies. This is actually white - I am a horrible photographer LOL. At first I thought it was a butter dish but couldn't figure out the divisions and then I found a toothbrush holder like this.

In any case it measures 7 1/2" long, 3" wide and 3" tall w/ the handle.

Thanks for posting the mark - it would appear that this is from 1841 to 1860. Anyone have any idea what it might be worth?
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: greenacres on July 07, 2012, 09:29:43 PM: It doesn't seem that common. The things I saw were in the $30-$40. range. Let's see what other peoples opinions are.
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: kidden6968 on July 08, 2012, 06:06:45 AM: Thank you Greenacres - you are right - haven't been able to find a match anywhere although I have found several antique toothbrush (some say razor) dishes but different makers. I am curious as well to see what everyone thinks. 8)
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: mart on July 08, 2012, 09:25:41 AM: Straight razor won`t fit in this I don`t think !! The two divisions should have two or three grooves in each one and that keeps the brush elevated and keeps water away from the toothbrush after it is rinsed and allows it to dry !! They were much smaller back then I assume !! You need to see how long this mark was used !! I think standard toothbrushes came into common use around 1900 !! But will check on that !!
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: kidden6968 on July 08, 2012, 09:53:46 AM: Hi Mart,

It appears this mark was used between 1841 and 1860.

It looks as though the center spot would be for the brush although there are 3 separate areas that are kind of "scalloped" but not grooves.

Would love to list this but have no idea where to start to value it.

Bonnie
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: mart on July 08, 2012, 01:44:21 PM: Scallops is what I am talking about,, indentations !! Get a couple of toothbrushes , the plain flat handled ones at the dollar store and lay them in it !!
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: kidden6968 on July 08, 2012, 02:17:10 PM: I am going to look to see what I have because mine are not the flat handled and they don't fit :o In the meantime I did do some research as well and you are right about the time toothbrushes were common household items. Well wondering then if that could mean something this old would have been owned by wealthier families? Hmmmm food for thought.

I have no clue what to list this at.
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: mart on July 09, 2012, 09:34:33 AM: Well, wealthier families could have afforded more knick knacks like this !!
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: kidden6968 on July 11, 2012, 05:09:00 PM: Ok finally getting back to this and yes I tried the plain flat sided toothbrushes and it would definitely hold 3 of them. Of course I didn't research what toothbrushes from this time period would measure or look like. I suppose I could do that as well :-\

In the meantime, does anyone have any further opinions on what I should list this at? Wondering if everyone thinks the #30 to $40 range.

Thanks for the help everyone - always appreciated!! ;D
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: mart on July 11, 2012, 08:17:46 PM: You can try at that but the market is so slow now, if it doesn`t sell, try relisting at $20. !! People are just not spending much that I have seen !!
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: kidden6968 on July 11, 2012, 08:33:03 PM: Thanks Mart - for that I will probably hold onto it ;D

Anyone having any luck anywhere besides Ebay?
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: mart on July 12, 2012, 08:16:48 AM: What I have seen on ebay is depressing !!
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: greenacres on July 12, 2012, 08:23:52 AM: I know. Maybe it will pickup in Sept. when everyone isn't on vacation.
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: kidden6968 on July 12, 2012, 11:00:25 AM: Yes I am not having any luck there either - small items selling occasionally but a lot of re-listing. Anyone having better luck on any other site?
Title: Re: J. Wedgewood Ironstone Toothbrush Holder
Post by: mart on July 12, 2012, 11:35:54 AM: I wish there was another site similar to ebay but without the hassle !! Think I will look around !!