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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: dubiemo on July 20, 2012, 02:00:19 PM
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I know this is a cribbage board. I'm pretty sure it's ivory. What I'd like to know is who might have carved it and/or where it might have originated? Also, what are the odd swivel triangular pieces for? They are not removable.
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Oh this is fabulous! If you've got the real thing, it was probably carved by a sailor. I love the whale/sea monster. It was easy to see part of something leaping out of the water and mistake it for something else. My boat partners and I have a long-standing joke going about 'sea cats' after I once saw what was probably a stingray of some type come partially out of the water!
What you want to look for is a DOUBLE cris-crossing vein in the ivory. Compare it to the images we have here: http://www.antique-shop.com/forums/index.php?topic=6485.0 (http://www.antique-shop.com/forums/index.php?topic=6485.0) Yours will probably be more faint than the examples shown.
Be aware that there are scrimshaw fakes and reproductions galore. We can help to a certain point, but if this turns out to be antique and the sailor made piece that it looks like it could be, it may be very valuable and so you are going to want to show this to an expert for a hands-on evaluation. A nautical museum may be able to help.
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The triangular piece that extends out is a 'fid' used for loosening tight knots. If this is the real thing, you're going to have quite an exciting find! How did you come by this piece by the way? That may help us get an idea about its history.
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My grandfather gave it to my mother who gave it to me. Unfortunately that one triangle is the only survivor. :'( But you can see the remainders of the other three.
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I tried the hot needle and got no smoke nor smell, but it left no markings either. I'm in Colorado and don't think there are many nautical experts in these parts. Could you point me in the right direction for authentication? We've fallen on hard times and if my 30 yrs. of hanging onto this stuff could pay off, it could mean the difference between a roof over our heads and homelessness. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
P.S. Grandpa lived and spent most of his life in San Francisco, CA. Wasn't a sailor but collected his share of antiques.
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$$$$ Research on Antque Roadshow. I've seen this many timts on the show. I would have it lookrd at by someone.
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Here are some antiques appraisers:
http://old.appraisers.org/denver/ (http://old.appraisers.org/denver/)
http://www.frontrangeliving.com/home-design/antiqueappraisals.htm (http://www.frontrangeliving.com/home-design/antiqueappraisals.htm)
http://local.yahoo.com/CO/Colorado+Springs/Retail+Shopping/Antiques+Collectibles/Antique+Appraisals (http://local.yahoo.com/CO/Colorado+Springs/Retail+Shopping/Antiques+Collectibles/Antique+Appraisals)
http://www.antiques.com/dealers/Antique-Appraisals/Colorado (http://www.antiques.com/dealers/Antique-Appraisals/Colorado)
http://www.antiquetraderappraisals.com/Antique_Trader/Welcome.html (http://www.antiquetraderappraisals.com/Antique_Trader/Welcome.html)
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"if my 30 yrs. of hanging onto this stuff could pay off, it could mean the difference between a roof over our heads and homelessness."
Sorry to hear that! It would be sad to have to part with a family antique in exchange for a roof, but you do what you have to do. I recently had to part with my lifelong collection of vinyl records, accumulated over a period of decades, for a similar reason.
Hang in there and things will get better!!
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Couple of things can help !! A reputable museum, or Christies Auction House online appraisals !! You can email pics for an appraisal !!
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Just be careful. Get a couple prices to be safe.
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Wise advice....get several appraisals. If a big name auction house shows interest....then you know you have a winner!
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E-mailed pictures and what little info. I had to West Sea Co. in CA. Was told it was Eskimo made, walrus tusk and the early part of this century. Gentleman said it was a seal eating a fish, not serpent. Anyway, doesn't look like it will be worth as much as hoped :-\. Thanks for the help though. Looks like I may have to sacrifice some of the good stuff. ;)
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I wouldn't have thought Eskimos were big cribbage players. ;D
And why would an early 20th Century Eskimo be carving 3 tree leafs on the front of it? ??? ??? ???
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If I were you, I'd get a second opinion just to be sure.
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HA, that fish grabber in the 2nd picture of 1st post kinda, maybe looks like one of those in the 2 pictures @
http://www.sandiegodigitalphotos.com/San_Diego_photos/Seal_silver_with_black_spots_Casa_Beach.html (http://www.sandiegodigitalphotos.com/San_Diego_photos/Seal_silver_with_black_spots_Casa_Beach.html)
And right you are, aDawn, because seals can be found in lots of places other than the Arctic.
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I admit the leaves do not look like something you would expect !! But they did do a lot of stuff like this to be sold as tourist items !! Even though they didn`t play Cribbage, many others did !! They would have created what would sell !!
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The following is a snipet of an article from MAD reporting on the results of a Cowan Auction back in 2007.
"...Ivory objects included an Eskimo carving believed to have been the front brace for a kayak. Showing people, animals, and other objects on the front and back, the 12½" long brace was made from fossilized walrus ivory and sold for $21,850. A Nunivak Island carved ivory cribbage board showing various arctic animals, 26" long, made $11,500. A Nunivak Island two-piece ivory cribbage board, 11" long x 4¼" wide, sold for $8050. It had two carved walruses biting the tails of seals that were chewing on the tails of opposing seals, with a bear cub on each end of the board and two sea mammals within the frame. Even a pair of buttons showing carved human heads, 2" square, brought big interest, selling for $3450."
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Woo hoo, looks pretty good to me!!
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Did it say anywhere how big this thing is ?? If so I missed it !!
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I think it's going to come down to how old this turns out to be. It is legal for indigenous Alaskan natives (aka 'Eskimos') to harvest ivory. With a big dollar amount possible here, I would definitely get this looked at by an expert.
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Dubiemo, you mentioned your grandfather lived in California. Makes me wonder if this could be a Northwest Coast Nations piece. You might want to make contact with the Museum of Anthropology (MOA) at the University of BC in Vancouver, BC. They have an extensive, incredible collection and are very knowledgeable about all the tribes that stretched from Alaska to Northern California.
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Here's a sample from their collection. The carving resembles that on your piece. You can click on 'More Information' and 'Images & media' for more detailed pictures.
http://collection-online.moa.ubc.ca/collection-online/search/item?category%5Bcategory%5D=645584&row=74
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Sure looks similar Sapphire !!
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Thank you everyone. :) Saphire, I viewed their collection. WOW! Some beautiful stuff. I noticed that the engraving or decoration was done with dots, as on my piece. Kind of cool. Appreciate all the help. Just need to find a way for an expert to view. My journey continues...
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Slow and steady wins the race! ;D
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You're welcome dubie' . Wish I had had more time (like days) to spend there. It's an amazing experience and the collections are immense and beautiful. Everything from full size totem poles to the smallest of tools and decorations, clothing of incredible workmanship. Next time I get out for a visit I'll be taking a few days just by myself to explore both the museum and the Sun Yat Sen Classical Chinese Garden again.