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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: ACStanley on August 07, 2012, 10:30:26 PM
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I picked up this tray about a month back now, and have not been able to find anything like it, and am having a hard time dating it...
It measures:
L 19 1/2"
W 11 1/2"
Weighs
2 lbs 1 oz
I am a big fan of TCM and have seen these in old movies, but always silver plate, and those movies are in the 50s and 60s Serving trays like this were used in the captains quarters.
I spoke to a few gentlemen at my local flea-market they seemed to think that it was from the 30s or 40s
I am unsure when copper was most used (im assuming this would help me date it) and would also love any thoughts on value.
Thanks everyone!
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Additional photos.
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Although I believe obvious from the pictures, I failed to mention that this tray is copper.
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I just wanted to give this a bump, Im still having a difficult time with it....
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Since copper is known for it's conductivity, I wonder if this wasn't specifically a warming tray. The "patent applied for" makes me think 20s-50s as a date.
I've never seen anything like this before, so I can't give a good value, but I'd say at around $40-$50 at least, just for the copper alone ;)
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I did not know that about "patent applied for"... Good to know. Thank you. The only thing that puts me away from warming tray is the fact the the handles are copper as well, I would think that they would be made of something else, to allow easy pick up, but, I'm not sure...
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I haven`t found anything similar,, only stainless or plate !! USN does have a museum,, have you looked there ??
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Hmmm... They have a website? I'm gonna have to check that out!
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http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/org8-1.htm
This should help !!
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Perfect im getting ready to write to a curator at one near me... Thanks for the tip!
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Let us know !!
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So, I have already wrote him, but im assuming that he gets lots of emails, any suggestions on for writing future curators on how to stand out and seem legit so that I can increase my odds of getting a reply?
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I'm sure you are already aware of this, but the "Fouled Anchor USN" marking was generally used for the Wardroom Officers Mess. Probably fewer available than the Enlisted Mess trays.
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Nope! I had no idea... Im not even sure what you mean by that... lol... im doing some research right now. Thanks so much!
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Okay, so im not to sure about my tray, I mean im pretty sure that its old, but, I cant find any other Fouled Anchors with the rope wrapping from the left to the right, The ones that I am seeing are all going from the right to the left...
Also just read this...
"Fouled Anchor: The fouled anchor is a Naval symbol of an anchor with a chain wrapped around it or "fouled" (an "unfouled anchor" would be one that is not entangled in its chain). The fouled anchor has long been the symbol of the Chief Petty Officer. In terms of the Chief, the fouled anchor symbolizes the trials and tribulations that every Chief Petty Officer must endure on a daily basis.
The "USN" stands for Unity, Service and Navigation, symbolizing the Unity of the CPO Mess, the undaunted Service to God and country of each and every Chief Petty Officer and the Navigation that the Chief is expected to provide to each Sailor, each Navy ship and the entire Navy."
I thought USN was United States Navy... Yikes.. The further I dig, the further I get from an answer...
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LOL !! It doesn`t get easier with the military branches !!
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Information at last!
Mr. Stanley:
The tray in question appears to be crudely made in a home shop or perhaps in a shop in a Navy Yard or aboard ship. I find the "pat.applied for" stamped on the handle amusing rather than serious business. If this were indeed a piece used aboard ship I think it would have been used in the enlisted mess rather than in an officer's mess. The U.S. Naval Academy Museum does have a number of serving trays in its collection used aboard ships and in official naval activities ashore in the U.S. Navy, but all these trays are sterling silver or silver plate and they are all beautifully rendered some by contractors as distinguished as Tiffany and Company. We have no specimens anything like your tray whichwas obviously made by an amateur metal worker for utilitarian purposes rather than as a fine piece of tableware. It does have value as sailor's art.
Thank you for sharing knowledge of the tray. With best wishes. Jim Cheevers
James W. Cheevers
Associate Director/Senior Curator
U.S. Naval Academy Museum
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Well,, thats one solved !! Good thing is ship or sailors art is still worth a bit as is the copper !!
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If all else fails the copper's got to be worth something... ;)