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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: RugRat5288 on August 18, 2012, 01:38:09 PM
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HI ALL ;D
My grandmother bought this cabinet in the 1930's in up state Vermont just below the Canadian border from a lady down the street for $7. My grandfather who passed away before i was born bought it as a surprise gift for her as he knew she loved it. At the time $7 was alot of money for a family with 6 childern. After she passed away my mother got the cabinet and she now lives with me and I have tried to find a similar cabinet online without much luck. I would just like to know how old it is and if it has any value? Thanks for any help you can give me.
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Very nice corner cabinet !! Golden oak could have been made anytime from about 1880 to 1930 !! Almost impossible to tell without being the original purchaser !! I am guessing that yours was made around 1920 just from the general style give or take a few years !! Not a lot of the oak corner cabinets that I have seen so hang on to that one !! Approx value about $450. to $550. in my area !!
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Mart hit that one pretty well. I'd say it's about 1910, definitely oak, in a style you don't see often. I'd say around $600.00 in Missouri.
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Well I did say, give or take a few years !! If in perfect condition would go $600. here !! A few scratches that need to be covered up !!
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Beautiful piece!!! nothing a little walnut rubbing & lemon oil couldn't handle :)
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Walnuts might be a little dark,, you think Wendy ??
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Thanks everyone. pretty good value now for a $7 purchase. I was thinking it might be worth more. It does have condition issues that are not noticeable in the pictures. one of the risers that stick up above the cabinet on top (opposite one from picture) on the upper most spot near the center is cracked . I'm not sure how that happened as it has been that way as long as i can remember. Unfortunate!. Also the handle is loose with just a small brad in the top to hold it from swinging upside down. I'm not sure if the top piece could be repaired or if i should just let it be? Not planning on getting rid of it as it has been with our family 70+ years.
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Most things like that are simple repairs but would require some knowledge of woodwork and tools !! If its OK to use I would just leave it alone for now !! Might fix the handle though !! Hardware is important to the value !!
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http://www.rubylane.com/item/705000-14882/Antique-Victorian-Oak-Corner-Cabinet (http://www.rubylane.com/item/705000-14882/Antique-Victorian-Oak-Corner-Cabinet)
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Did you read about it, Cogar ?? "Completely stripped, sanded, stained and finished with multiple coats of lacquer" !! So in essence its a new one, not an antique anymore !! And is about what the cost of a new one would be !!
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I had also seen many double door cabinets but never one with a big piece of glass like mine. Sure would hate to break that glass. Kids are not allowed near it ;D
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Would cost a fortune to replace it,, if you even could, so be careful !!
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Did you read about it, Cogar ??
Nah, ..... I didn't.
I just thought you all were pricing RugRat's cabinet too low.
And that's why I posted the url.
And by the way, Mart, .... that Ruby Lane piece that is "Completely stripped, sanded, stained and finished with multiple coats of lacquer" .... is still a piece of "antique furniture" to the younger generation ...... and they will gladly pay Ruby Lane that $1,800+ for that cabinet ..... long before they would ever pay RugRat either $500 or $1,200 for his cabinet.
Most Refinishers would gladly pay $500 for RugRat's cabinet ....... and more than double their money after making it "shine" with a couple coats of lacquer or semi-gloss polycrylic.
You can't set a "retail" or "end-user" price based on Auction or small Antique Shop "prices" because that is where "big" Dealers, Pickers and Refinishers go to purchase their "stock items" which they are going to sell and .... make a profit on.
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Darn, Cogar !! Are we having a bad day ??? I think I`ve just been reamed out by the headmaster !!
Once all that is done there is nothing left !! You could stand it side by side with a new one and couldn`t tell the difference !! So whats the point of buying an antique ?? And the price I gave is about what it would bring in todays market in my area !! Yours might be different !!
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i,m of the opinion that whoever does eventually pay Ruby Lane, $2.650,for what is in effect...a refurb,will only be doing so....because in their mind...its a Ruby Lane piece.they won,t see it as a refurb,...and when the time comes when someone ask,s them about it,....It,ll be .."OH! We got it from Ruby Lane"!!!!....and not,.."Its been rubbed and Scrubbed and Laquered to death",.....
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Reply #13: Darn, Cogar !! Are we having a bad day ???
“Yes”, Mart, I believe you were.
Why else would you have asked me this question, to wit:
Reply #9: Did you read about it, Cogar ??
A patronizing remark that was uncalled for.
Mart, I didn’t have to read about it. I could plainly see that it had been refinished.
Reply #9: So in essence its a new one, not an antique anymore !!
You didn’t think it was an antique to begin with, to wit:
Reply #1: I am guessing that yours was made around 1920 just from the general style give or take a few years !!
Mart, appraise the furniture. Don’t be appraising my integrity or my learned experiences. If you disagree with my opinion then state your reason for doing so. But don’t make it personal, cause I don’t take it kindly to such pettiness.
Reply #13: Once all that is done there is nothing left !! You could stand it side by side with a new one and couldn`t tell the difference !!
Maybe you couldn’t, but I could, unless done by a real expert. Some woods, especially oak and pine, acquire a patina after several years of being subjected to “light”. It is a per say, photochemical reaction that occurs in the exposed surface layer of the wood itself. And if that “layer” is sanded “off”, it is a real “bear” to try to reproduce. Unfinished wood (inside cabinets and back panels) react to the different gas molecules in the air itself.
So whats the point of buying an antique ??
“Different strokes for different folks”. ;D ;D
Mart, I once sold a Shawnee “corn” sugar bowl for, I think, $14.75, that the bowl and lid both had been broken, and glued back together, with the glue-lines standing out like a sore thumb.
A young, late 20’ish gal, came into my shop, spotted that Shawnee, picked it up and said “I’ll take this” ...... and handed me the money.
I looked at her quizzically and said “You do realize that is broken, don’t you”.
To which she replied, “Absolutely, ….. I wouldn't have bought it otherwise, ..... it looks identical to the one my mother had that was promised to me but my sister took it and won’t give it back to me”.
Cheers, ….. and end of discussion on this subject.
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c 1890s value around £3-400
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I have no idea how you thought I was questioning your integrity !! This is a place for opinions from everyone and actually I was having a rather good day !!
I asked the question because you gave no response to anything other than to post that link !! Perhaps you should have elaborated a bit more !! And if I don`t know I ask !! I have been guilty of posting something without thoroughly reading it but do not get my drawers in an uproar because someone asks and points it out !!
I apologize if you thought that, it was not my intent !! And I said earlier that it could have been made any where between 1880 and 1930 and without having any more that a pic of the front to look at,, and since I don`t have X-ray vision,, that was my opinion !! I would not begin to appraise anything here !! That is not very professional,, I can give an opinion and thats it !! And that opinion is limited to what I know similar items sell for in my area !!
I used to enjoy your input and the discussion back and forth !! But I will rethink what I put into the forum if that will make you happy !!
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Everyone's opinions have been great! no reason to argue!
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Well, cool cabinet in any case.
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Not an arguement,,, I just apologized for what ever it was that upset Cogar !! Although I am still unsure what it was !!
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We have a saying over here....perhaps he got out of the wrong side of bed that day...as for me, Mart,I enjoy your posts and am learning from your extensive knowledge,...
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AAWWWW Bigwull a saying that does not involve a cat ohhh darn! ;)
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Well I am still unsure what I did !!
LOL !!Watch out Wendy,, he will think of one !! The more I read his posts, the more I think he is a displaced Texan !!
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My opinion as a person who has sold truckloads of golden oak. In my area of NYC / NJ metro market, oak has held the same prices for 30 years barely keeping pace with inflation. That piece is 1900 probably Grand Rapids right from the Sears Catalog and would sell here around 1200.00 retail because its unusual. Original finish rules. Most young people here are not interested in old fashioned furniture unless Martha Stewart or Eddie Ross say its good. I would pay about half of that if I really wanted it and had a corner for it. I would just clean it up a little.
I am appalled by by the squabbling I just returned to after a few days away. If I was the moderator I would have deleted all that. It does not make a good impression to the new visitors. Opinions will vary.
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Well the thing that gets me is if this is a piece from the sears catalog seems like there would be more of them. I have known of this cabinet all my life and never seen one like it. if you can find me a picture of a single door corner cabinet with rounded glass like mine I would love to see it. That is what brought me to this website as I had searched the Internet with no results. I don't disagree with you I just can't understand why this one seems hard to find a similar type?
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I've never seen another one like it, either.
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Just because your one has survived,does,nt mean that others have....it may be a one off...or a commission,...or a limited run and all the rest have either been butchered or morphed into something else..or perhaps during the great depression..they were broken up and use as firewood..you just never know
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I am betting with that large curved glass door with no center support not many have survived.
if you can find me a picture of a single door corner cabinet with rounded glass like mine I would love to see it. That is what brought me to this website as I had searched the Internet with no results. [/quote]
Here ya go second row first photo
http://www.gendronantiques.com/Antiques/tabid/743/Tag/Cabinet/Tags/2141/Default.aspx
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I am betting with that large curved glass door with no center support not many have survived.
if you can find me a picture of a single door corner cabinet with rounded glass like mine I would love to see it. That is what brought me to this website as I had searched the Internet with no results.
Here ya go second row first photo
http://www.gendronantiques.com/Antiques/tabid/743/Tag/Cabinet/Tags/2141/Default.aspx
[/quote]Give that woman a coconut!!!!
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Thanks Bigwull I may not know diddly about furniture but I can kick some butt at research! ;)
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I,ll bear that in mind,....the kicking butts part...its an .arse. over here LOL,!!!
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Here's an example of a slightly different style.
(http://www.bargainjohn.com/images/F200/F222CChina.jpg)
Over the years I bought and sold dozens of curved glass china cabinets, and I don't believe I ever had two that would have matched exactly in style. I think it was the manufacturer's choice to make as many variations as possible.
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Rauville is right !! These were not part of a set so most followed no rule as far as style and appearance !! They were additions that you could purchase so there may be a few of one style and a few of another !! If you are trying to find an identical match,, good luck !!
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Yeah, it's about like trying to find matching Victorian marble top parlor tables. Not easy.
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Had me hunting now too and thanks to wendy's link I picked up the term 'bent glass' (learn something new every day). :)
So did me a google image search using 'antique bent glass china cabinet' and voila!!
http://images.google.com/search?num=10&hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1219&bih=668&q=antique+bent+glass+china+cabinet&oq=antique+bent+glass+china+cabinet&gs_l=img.3...1042.6837.0.7381.32.13.0.19.19.0.113.1113.10j3.13.0...0.0...1ac.GpPngUyQg6A
Wouldn't you just cringe every time the grandkids when tearing past this piece?? :D
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Yup! out of bounds to the kids who come to the house! Thanks everyone. I guess there may not be an identical cabinet out there.
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i would just use general overall appearance as a guide !! look at the similarities !!