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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: kidden6968 on August 22, 2012, 11:01:08 AM
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Hello everyone,
First I want to say please do not mind the pics - have not been able to clean this pitcher yet as my water is shut off due to a broken valve. Hopefully fixed soon - LOL that kind of day.
So I have this really nice pitcher which is stamped Sylvan on the bottom. It doesn't appear to be that old but nice - no damages or chips. There is a seam on both sides which might show in the pics. This pitcher is 7" high and about 5" wide at the broadest.
I tried to do some research but really couldn't find anything other than that Sylvan might be the name of the pattern and not necessarily the maker.
Any ideas?
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Oh and another curiosity - is that what would be called transfer pattern? Still trying to figure that term out or how to know if that is what a pattern is.
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Yes, transferware. This pitcher looks to be 1870s-80s.
A beauty!!
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Wow thanks - I wasn't thinking that old at all. It would look much better cleaned and with a better photographer and not one that edits all the pics to try and get the right contrast and then they all look different LOL
Any clue about Sylvan pottery?
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Would it be from that time period with the seams? Oh boy I am still learning ???
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Don't know about seams. I was going by stylistic clues, particularly the handle.
What do you think? Later?
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Oh I have no idea ghopper - always trying to remember things like "well they didn't start doing this until this year" etc. etc. Maybe for me the only other piece I have that is from the late 1800's is a platter I have that shows some pretty bad crazing. I can't see any crazing in this at all. Also can't find much about the maker - Sylvan - although some little obscure info I found indicated they very well could have been producing at that time frame.
Maybe it just looks in too good condition ::)
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Wondering what everyone else thinks about the age and whether or not the seams play into that. If this is in fact that old, it is in really good shape. Still cannot find any info on Sylvan - any suggestions on where I might research or determine possible value?
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It isn't who I thought it was...this is their marks
http://retroselect.com/Backstamps/S%20backstamps.htm (http://retroselect.com/Backstamps/S%20backstamps.htm)
This is same style as yours...but I don't have a membership to Worthpoint
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/staffordshire-brown-transferware-sylvan-pitcher (http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/staffordshire-brown-transferware-sylvan-pitcher)
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Thanks KC - I know I always want to know what they have items listed at. So maybe Sylvan is the pattern - that is the same style vase - handle and all - different transfer but around the rim is the same. They say Staffordshire - I will keep looking.
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Also they didn't show a pic of the base or mark. This just says Sylvan and everything I have found so far states that anything staffordshire would have a mark. Things that make you go hmmmmmm :D
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Hi Sylvan pottery Hanley Staffordshire 1946-85 was previouslybPodmore China Co 1921-41 At Sylvan Works Hanley regards Martin
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Thanks Martin
Ok so this leaves even more questions - same exact pitcher style as the one listed on Worthpoint as being made in the late 1800's. Sylvan pottery more mid century. No mark that indicates anything other than "sylvan" which doesn't match staffordshire marks or sylvan pottery marks. Maybe a reproduction?
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Maybe, but I'm inclined to stick to the late 1800s.
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ghopper - is it possible that not all pottery from that time was marked?
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Sure!
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dont think its that old,, probably mid century,, no age on the foot where you would expect to see it !! repro of older style!! sorry for the typing!!
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Mart - "no age on the foot" - meaning the base?
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Sylvan Pottery Ltd Hanley c 1886 I do not know when the company ended operation.
looks like age on the foot (yes the base) to me?? kidden those black spots on the bottom are missing pieces of pottery and dirt has collected in the chips correct.
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i would be inclined from pics to say it isn't that old...but have learned from experience that pics don't show/tell everything. This is one of those that a hands on is needed. I have yet to see one that doesn't list England along with the name...but then I am definitely not the expert on this one! England was generally put on the pieces even if it wasn't considered an export item!
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yep !! the rough circle around the name !!
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http://www.rubylane.com/item/402925-RLB-10-x23A461/Brown-Westhead-Moore-Cauldon-Blue
Here is a platter that has sylvan on it.
on the seams. The sight below implies that they are seamingly harmless and expected on ceramic transferware.
http://www.countryliving.com/antiques/what-to-collect/collecting-transferware-1107#slide-3
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"seamingly harmless"
*groan*
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Hello everyone - wow thanks for all the input. Mart - no - fully glazed - i had not been able to wash this yesterday as my water was shut off until a repair was made at like 10 o'clock last night. In cleaning today I scrubbed a little and the black came right off for the most part.
Yes it does say sylvan but no other mark or England anywhere.
Although I would love this to be original and that old - I think I am leaning toward reproduction as well. There just isn't any sign of age - no crazing - no wear. I still hope I can find something with just the "sylvan" mark to compare.