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Title: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: malcolm900 on September 03, 2012, 02:22:51 PM
http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/07501/5CC14041F480F9689B6B76E14A8AF4B550B546C3.html?start=8 (http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/07501/5CC14041F480F9689B6B76E14A8AF4B550B546C3.html?start=8)

value?
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: bigwull on September 03, 2012, 02:27:47 PM
talian painting sec. XVI. Florence. Michelangelo 1 ...
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Post by: bigwull on September 03, 2012, 02:29:17 PM
http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/07501/5CC14041F480F9689B6B76E14A8AF4B550B546C3.html?start=8 (http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/07501/5CC14041F480F9689B6B76E14A8AF4B550B546C3.html?start=8)


from the Sistine Chapel...by Michaelangelo....
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: malcolm900 on September 03, 2012, 02:46:28 PM
Value?
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Post by: msghopper1924 on September 03, 2012, 03:10:15 PM
Priceless!
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Post by: KC on September 03, 2012, 03:13:11 PM
Not sure what you have there...but it isn't the original!
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Post by: bigwull on September 03, 2012, 03:26:43 PM
see link...Adam & Eve..centre section of Sistine chapel ceiling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistine_Chapel_ceiling
what you have looks like a picture from a magazine....and until we know what material its made of..?? is it a print...a sketch...what/??
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: malcolm900 on September 03, 2012, 06:54:24 PM
see link...Adam & Eve..centre section of Sistine chapel ceiling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistine_Chapel_ceiling
what you have looks like a picture from a magazine....and until we know what material its made of..?? is it a print...a sketch...what/??

it seems to be a print, but it looks like 20 years old.
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: mart on September 03, 2012, 07:16:41 PM
most likely someones souvenier from their trip there !!
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Post by: malcolm900 on September 03, 2012, 07:34:04 PM
most likely someones souvenier from their trip there !!

wrong..
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Post by: KC on September 03, 2012, 07:36:34 PM
When I followed the links it said it was a photograph by Anderson if I read correctly..
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Post by: malcolm900 on September 03, 2012, 07:40:26 PM
When I followed the links it said it was a photograph by Anderson if I read correctly..

Really?> is it a photograph?
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Post by: malcolm900 on September 03, 2012, 09:06:30 PM
Did reaserch seems to be a photo by  Federico Zeri, a famous man, any one have any info on the value?
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: sapphire on September 03, 2012, 10:23:49 PM
Federico Zeri was a benefactor of the University of Bologna. The original piece of work (photograph) was included in his massive collection which was donated to the university.

La Compagnia Rotografica was the company who is credited with producing this piece, along with many other images of works of art, nudes, etc.

Below is a picture of an advertisement card for the company. Unless you can find the original source of your picture, dating/value is merely a ?? Have you removed the backing to see if there is any information hidden from view?
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: KC on September 03, 2012, 10:26:40 PM
If you interpret the Italian to English it states that "Gelatin silver / baryta paper, 190x243 mm; positive" which is a photograph that was processed this was in the late 1800's to early 1900's.  
" Source: Federico Zeri Foundation - University of Bologna |"
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: malcolm900 on September 03, 2012, 11:15:57 PM
Federico Zeri was a benefactor of the University of Bologna. The original piece of work (photograph) was included in his massive collection which was donated to the university.

La Compagnia Rotografica was the company who is credited with producing this piece, along with many other images of works of art, nudes, etc.

Below is a picture of an advertisement card for the company. Unless you can find the original source of your picture, dating/value is merely a ?? Have you removed the backing to see if there is any information hidden from view?


the back is sealed.
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: malcolm900 on September 03, 2012, 11:16:54 PM
Federico Zeri was a benefactor of the University of Bologna. The original piece of work (photograph) was included in his massive collection which was donated to the university.

La Compagnia Rotografica was the company who is credited with producing this piece, along with many other images of works of art, nudes, etc.

Below is a picture of an advertisement card for the company. Unless you can find the original source of your picture, dating/value is merely a ?? Have you removed the backing to see if there is any information hidden from view?


So since that company produced it does it have any real value?
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: bigwull on September 04, 2012, 01:27:22 AM
Everything has value....it all depends if this photograph that,s in the frame is an old one...you need to open it up.because as it stands its only a black and white photograph,that might have some value??..You will not be lowering what value it has by opening it...because ,if it is a genuine pic by Federico Zeri....then the frame is secondary....its the pic that will carry the value....but if it is only a 20/30 year old pic, from Rotografica...then it probably won,t have much value...
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: sapphire on September 04, 2012, 03:23:34 AM
Federico Zeri was a benefactor of the University of Bologna. The original piece of work (photograph) was included in his massive collection which was donated to the university.

La Compagnia Rotografica was the company who is credited with producing this piece, along with many other images of works of art, nudes, etc.

Below is a picture of an advertisement card for the company. Unless you can find the original source of your picture, dating/value is merely a ?? Have you removed the backing to see if there is any information hidden from view?


The company may have produced the original, but you would need to know the source of yours. I came across work done by them in 1910's and 1920's, yours could be an early copy of theirs or a reproductions done at any time since then. Finding out what yours is printed on would be a start to dating I believe.

So since that company produced it does it have any real value?
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: malcolm900 on September 04, 2012, 08:23:57 AM
Everything has value....it all depends if this photograph that,s in the frame is an old one...you need to open it up.because as it stands its only a black and white photograph,that might have some value??..You will not be lowering what value it has by opening it...because ,if it is a genuine pic by Federico Zeri....then the frame is secondary....its the pic that will carry the value....but if it is only a 20/30 year old pic, from Rotografica...then it probably won,t have much value...


what is Rotografica?
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Post by: bbc-antiques.co.uk on September 04, 2012, 09:07:41 AM
Adam getting life spark from God
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Post by: mart on September 04, 2012, 09:25:12 AM
if it an original photograph value could be good,, but copies of a photograph that may have been reprinted many times,, not so much !!  cant tell if it is original till you take it out of the frame !!  back is just a dust cover,,no big deal and no value to the photo neither is the frame !!
come to think of it,,, is there a glass front on this ??
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: malcolm900 on September 04, 2012, 12:28:21 PM
if it an original photograph value could be good,, but copies of a photograph that may have been reprinted many times,, not so much !!  cant tell if it is original till you take it out of the frame !!  back is just a dust cover,,no big deal and no value to the photo neither is the frame !!
come to think of it,,, is there a glass front on this ??

theres glass, the back is sealed shut with nailz. old school framing
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: bigwull on September 04, 2012, 01:35:46 PM
Everything has value....it all depends if this photograph that,s in the frame is an old one...you need to open it up.because as it stands its only a black and white photograph,that might have some value??..You will not be lowering what value it has by opening it...because ,if it is a genuine pic by Federico Zeri....then the frame is secondary....its the pic that will carry the value....but if it is only a 20/30 year old pic, from Rotografica...then it probably won,t have much value...


what is Rotografica?
As Sapphire has already posted...Rotografic a...were the company..that made the original pic...see post above mine.....
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: bigwull on September 04, 2012, 01:38:11 PM
if it an original photograph value could be good,, but copies of a photograph that may have been reprinted many times,, not so much !!  cant tell if it is original till you take it out of the frame !!  back is just a dust cover,,no big deal and no value to the photo neither is the frame !!
come to think of it,,, is there a glass front on this ??

theres glass, the back is sealed shut with nailz. old school framing
As I have already said,and now Mart..the pic has to come out of the frame...we can guess all day what it might be worth, but until that pic comes out of that frame...then there might be a production number or a date...you just never no...thats the exciting bit about possible antiques....but until you do that then its just another picture that looks old
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: mart on September 04, 2012, 01:41:39 PM
if you are afraid to take it out yourself,, take it to a frame shop !!  they can remove it and put it back for about $5.00 !!
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: malcolm900 on September 04, 2012, 01:42:13 PM
if it an original photograph value could be good,, but copies of a photograph that may have been reprinted many times,, not so much !!  cant tell if it is original till you take it out of the frame !!  back is just a dust cover,,no big deal and no value to the photo neither is the frame !!
come to think of it,,, is there a glass front on this ??

theres glass, the back is sealed shut with nailz. old school framing
As I have already said,and now Mart..the pic has to come out of the frame...we can guess all day what it might be worth, but until that pic comes out of that frame...then there might be a production number or a date...you just never no...thats the exciting bit about possible antiques....but until you do that then its just another picture that looks old

OPened it, its a white cardboard like material, a piece of broken glass scratched a part of the painting F***! i feel like smashing it to bits now it looked impecible before, now it is scratched, a white scratch on the top, i cant stop looking at the scratch now.
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Post by: bigwull on September 04, 2012, 02:11:29 PM
There,s nothing any of us can say ,thats going to make you feel better....and yes your eye will always be drawn to that scratch...now what you have to do is forget about the damage,for the time being....check the back of the pic..for any makers mark...date, anything at all,..you say there was cardboard? does it look modern or old...were the nails old...was the glass 2mm or 3mm thick...modern picture glass is 3mm old glass was normally 2mm......now to the picture....If...and its a big If...was valuable..then it can be repaired...but first we,ve got to ascertain if it has value....
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: malcolm900 on September 04, 2012, 02:25:11 PM
There,s nothing any of us can say ,thats going to make you feel better....and yes your eye will always be drawn to that scratch...now what you have to do is forget about the damage,for the time being....check the back of the pic..for any makers mark...date, anything at all,..you say there was cardboard? does it look modern or old...were the nails old...was the glass 2mm or 3mm thick...modern picture glass is 3mm old glass was normally 2mm......now to the picture....If...and its a big If...was valuable..then it can be repaired...but first we,ve got to ascertain if it has value....

it looks like a print on foam... the scratch reveals white... it looks so different tho from any print i have seen before. it looks like special ink or something. Just look a the detail and quality n the pic.

I colored in the scratch with no.2 pencil to calm the electric current in my head.
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: malcolm900 on September 04, 2012, 02:28:37 PM
I cannot find anything similar to it on the net. i really like the piece tho so im deciding to keep it. put it on my wall, if i were to sell it i appraise its value at 5 grand. ;D
Title: Re: Old Religious thing or what?
Post by: bigwull on September 04, 2012, 02:39:24 PM
5 Grand..for a photograph......is that all....why not push the boat out a bit further....you never know....stranger things have happened....I once saw a flying pink pig.....and when i went to the doctors and told him....he shrugged his shoulders...and said ..it was probably something i ate....he was right...it was called Purple Haze......
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Post by: mart on September 04, 2012, 07:46:43 PM
foam ?? thats modern !!
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Post by: bigwull on September 04, 2012, 08:00:04 PM
foam ?? thats modern !!
I don,t think that parts sunk in yet!....
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Post by: greenacres on September 04, 2012, 08:33:23 PM
 ;D ;D
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Post by: ghopper1924 on September 05, 2012, 05:37:51 AM
"I once saw a flying pink pig.....and when i went to the doctors and told him....he shrugged his shoulders...and said ..it was probably something i ate....he was right...it was called Purple Haze....."


Hmmmm, sounds like mixed musical metaphors....Floyd meets Hendrix ;D ;D
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Post by: bigwull on September 05, 2012, 05:57:04 AM
"I once saw a flying pink pig.....and when i went to the doctors and told him....he shrugged his shoulders...and said ..it was probably something i ate....he was right...it was called Purple Haze....."


Hmmmm, sounds like mixed musical metaphors....Floyd meets Hendrix ;D ;D
Nooooooooooo..it was a little tablet that expanded my mind.....and destroyed millions of brain cells in the process..... ;D ;D ;D...think lyrics of Purple Haze..... ;D ;D
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Post by: mart on September 05, 2012, 07:54:18 AM
???  i must have led a really sheltered life !!
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Post by: bigwull on September 05, 2012, 08:07:33 AM
as we are the same age Mart...then its either you did lead a sheltered life....or you took your daddy,s advice.....and that of your,elders..."You must not take mind altering drugs"...."you must stay away from boys"....you must not..blah,blah,blah!.......i was there....but did the opposite....but i,m still here and i came out almost unscathed,.... i had a few near misses....but can look back with fond memories.....and have stories that might make your toes curl! ;D
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Post by: ghopper1924 on September 05, 2012, 11:02:40 AM
"'Scuse me while I kiss this guy" LOL ;D

Yeah, just thinking of the flying pigs on the cover of 'Animals' and the author of 'Purple Haze.'
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Post by: malcolm900 on September 05, 2012, 12:10:35 PM
Ha Ha very funny guys its still worth 5 grand no matter what you say.
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Post by: bigwull on September 05, 2012, 12:44:51 PM
"'Scuse me while I kiss this guy" LOL ;D

Yeah, just thinking of the flying pigs on the cover of 'Animals' and the author of 'Purple Haze.'
If you listen to Purple haze...i think you,ll find that Hendrix does,nt sing,Scuse me while i kiss this guy...he actually says...Scuse me while i kiss the Sky...and that came from the great man himself..during an interview....just before he popped his clogs!
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Post by: bigwull on September 05, 2012, 12:54:26 PM
Ha Ha very funny guys its still worth 5 grand no matter what you say.
like i said 5K 10K ...make it whatever you want........but just remember..if....and its a really Big If......someone comes along with a big bundle of dosh,and buys it.....just remember us....the guys/dolls who pointed you in the right direction...and urged you to remove it from the frame....that ended in such a disaster......... :D
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Post by: mart on September 05, 2012, 02:19:51 PM
well,, i did listen to one of them !!  wouldn`t know what a drug of any kind looked like !!  odd but,, i spent most of my time on the back of a horse around rodeos !!  beer was our hard drug !!  we had little money so couldn`t afford much of that !!  still love a cold one !!
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Post by: bigwull on September 05, 2012, 02:39:45 PM
well,, i did listen to one of them !!  wouldn`t know what a drug of any kind looked like !!  odd but,, i spent most of my time on the back of a horse around rodeos !!  beer was our hard drug !!  we had little money so couldn`t afford much of that !!  still love a cold one !!
The only horse that i was ever on was,nt really a horse it was a donkey...and that was when i was about 4 and my mum and dad...took me to the seaside....and i fell off...but in later years I had a 130 horses between my legs...my beloved ZZ1100...which could do 180mph..and i did it frequently when i went on holiday to Germany....where the police are more relaxed when it comes to seeing bikers riding flat out on what is sometimes called der racetrack Autobahn....great fun....until something goes wrong...which did happen to me,..once, ...25th July year 2000...whilst i was riding from Hamburg to Berlin...i was riding a Suzuki GSX1100F...and i was doing a 140mph...when the engine blew....i was in the fast lane...and one minute i was enjoying myself on a hot summers day...then the engine started spewing out oil and i was losing power rapidly...and the bike started sliding down the autobahn with me hanging on for dear life...luckily for me...a biker that was behind me...put on his hazard lights...and was able to slow the traffic down which allowed me to reach the safety of the hard shoulder....it was a scary few minutes,...and as i write...i can remember those few minutes like they were yesterday.....