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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: dnbinc on October 05, 2012, 10:08:00 PM
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Hello again,
Hopefully there's some musical instrument buffs out there. I have a Violin that is marked on the inside Jacobus Stainer in Abfam, prope oenipontum 1745.
I know this isn't an original Jacobus Stainer. He was alive from ~1610 - ~1680. But his design was copied for a long time because of it's superiority. I believe this violin is from the mid to late 1800's but I have had no luck finding the maker's mark.
HOPEFULLY CLICKABLE LINK TO MORE PICTURES :) (http://postimage.org/gallery/pyeode8/3c5c8e07/)
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Can you take a picture of the back...and some of the neck...the chances of this being a genuine Jacobus Stainer..are ....nil....i take their is a label inside telling you that this is a Stainer...and by its decoration...we would all like to think...yes you have hit the jackpot.....i,m not saying that this fiddle is a piece of junk....i,ve seen good copies fetch a fair wad,...all we can do is search for other copies that have been sold...to compare with this one...you can also send pics to Christies Auction House....and as their advice....i,ll keep my toes crossed....
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Thank you for your response. Unfortunately it is not a real stainer. But like you said good copies can fetch a pretty penny. I just can't find the manufacturer. I hope that link works. It has nice detailed pictures of the back and the manufacturer mark on the base of the neck.
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I don,t think its that old....the back is made from two pieces...which is a dead giveaway when it comes to repo fiddles...the back of original one,s are made from one piece,as are your more expensive repo,s,but as this one is done in two pieces...its telling me that it is a good deal younger...and its maker may have used chopsticks...to eat his dinner....
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Have to agree with bigwull on this one!
Specify wooden chopsticks! They use stainless in Korea so don't want to steer that direction!
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Have to agree with bigwull on this one!
Specify wooden chopsticks! They use stainless in Korea so don't want to steer that direction!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I missed the joke :(
Is it an inside-antiques joke?
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Local joke !! What they mean is that many of the oriental countries produce re pros of old violins !! Japan or China !! Many of the better copies are made in Czechoslovakia as are the bows !! If you have the bow with it and it is marked as such,, it likely is worth a good deal more than the violin !! So be sure to look at it !!
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The bow is marked W. M. Schuster and looks like it is made out of snakewood with ivory ends and pearl inlays. It might be bone. It might be fake snakewood, but it looks nice.
More pics here. (http://postimage.org/gallery/15oe616u/4d35d708/)
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Didn`t find a W.M. But did find a W.R. Schuster,, Germany mid to late 20th century !! I would take it to a shop that sells instruments and inquire !! Then research more depending on what they say !! Many times these were a family business !!
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Can you take a pic of the ..Schuster name....if it is a W.R ...instead of a W.M......then maybe...there is good news....as i have seen it happen over here...a relatively inexpensive violin...with an expensive bow,its all part of making people believe that what they have purchased is genuine....like, "If the bow is expensive then it stands to reason that the violin must be expensive as well....the "missed joke"....was ..the only thing that,s missing from this violin...is the made in China sticker....its becauae the back of the violin has a 2 piece one....and both piece,s of wood do not match each other......now to what might be good news.....the Bow,.....if it is a Schuster....then... .you,ve got a winner.....but it needs to be a W.R.Schuster
.http://www.zaretandsonsviolins.com/bows.html...
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Thank you for the information.
Today I have an appointment with a local violin shop. He said he'd look it over for free and if I wanted, take it on consignment.
It is indeed W. R. SCHUSTER. I think I got a pretty good pic of it.
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This looks good...it certainly looks like ivory....with an inlay...and Schuster bows do have inlays on many of the one,s i,ve seen...we wait with eager anticipation....on the result of the evaluation....
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Glad it a WR Schuster !! You may have a winner !! Be sure and let us know !! WR Schusters bows can run from $2000. up !!
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Glad it a WR Schuster !! You may have a winner !! Be sure and let us know !! WR Schusters bows can run from $2000. up !!
Think $5000 and up Mart!...see my link...
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I found a couple that were in the $2000. to $2500. range but didn`t have the same adornments !! Still,, nothing to sneeze at !!
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That,s for sure,....
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Thank you Bigwull and mart
So some surprising news. He said that in it's present condition I could probably get 600 - 800 from ebay for the violin. He did not know the manufacturer.
He also said the bow was probably nothing. Nothing!?! I can't even find a comparable one the web just ones from the same manufacturer for 2 or 3 thousand.
They had lots of contemporary violins in the shop but nothing antique. I don't feel like I have any better of answers after talking to the expert.
I think I'm going to pony up and pay for an appraisal. I saw some photo-only online for 20 bucks. That would probably get me an idea if I should pursue it further.
Again, thanks for the info. It really helped me search around. Maybe I'll bring it back there when he isn't working.
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Before you go paying $20 for an online "expert"...you should maybe check with these, people...in Glasgow..Scotland.. ..they do free evaluations...you just send good quality pics...not the linked one,s...one,s that you have taken,especially the bow with WR Schuster on it...and they will send you a report...just check out there site...i,ve dealt with them in the past and,..they are very good,....
http://www.greatwesternauctions.com/
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That is an idea and also if there is a concert hall in your town or close to you !! Possibly someone that plays with a string orchestra you could ask !! People that actually play high quality instruments can tell you !! I found a while back a forum with nothing but those that play,buy and sell violins and bows !! I will see if I can find it for you after dinner !!
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Before you go paying $20 for an online "expert"...you should maybe check with these, people...in Glasgow..Scotland.. ..they do free evaluations...you just send good quality pics...not the linked one,s...one,s that you have taken,especially the bow with WR Schuster on it...and they will send you a report...just check out there site...i,ve dealt with them in the past and,..they are very good,....
http://www.greatwesternauctions.com/
Thank you Bigwull! Save me some money so I can go buy more antiques!
I sent them off some pictures. Hopefully they'll know what it is.
And I thought my pictures were pretty good :( All I have is an iPhone 5 to take pictures with.
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I can,t even send texts on my black & white £10 mobile....that i bought 10 years ago...and it was s/h,..and my digital camera is only 3.2 mp