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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: Spottt on October 14, 2012, 08:17:49 AM
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Have a chair from my mother's family. It is heavily carved with a woman's head on the crest and arms. Finish is original and in excellent condition. Fabric is needle point, very old but not original. It is in relatively good condition considering its age. Would appreciate help in identifying Jelliff or not. What might be the worth of the chair and how would I go about selling it if I choose to do so? I am a newbie and appreciate any help you can provide. (Will attach pics). Thanks.
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Can you take a pic of the underside of the chair so we can see construction ??
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It very well could be Jelliff, although not every chair with faces on the arms is by him. I think it's safe to say "attributed to Jelliff." Of course, if you find a signature or tag underneath the upholstry then you can confidently say "Jelliff!"
It's a beautiful chair in any case. I'd say it might go for $700, maybe even up to $1K in the northeast.
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Really need to see close up pics of underside construction as stated earlier. Any markings? (If there are...not a original)
Glad to see that you have been searching this out to find out about it. It will need to be taken for a hands-on evaluation to verify an authentic one. Seems you have gotten the same great advice from other forums!
http://victorianforum.com/victorian-furniture/john-jelliff-chair/ (http://victorianforum.com/victorian-furniture/john-jelliff-chair/)
http://www.myantiquefurniturecollection.com/john-jelliff-chair-1621815.html (http://www.myantiquefurniturecollection.com/john-jelliff-chair-1621815.html)
A site you might want to contact that specialize in this time period of furniture and know the makers
antiquesbylisebohm. com.
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I found those also KC !! Wondering what was unsaid there !! I thought the other forums covered it well !!
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Beautiful chair no matter what it is. ;)
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It is isn't it greenacres?
Also, what are the dimensions of the piece? They were typically two...the larger one was a gentleman's chair and the smaller one for the lady.
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It does,nt ring my Bell,....but then i,ve never been a lover of Victorian dark furniture...or the ornate Drawing room,and Parlour sets that you get....
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Sometimes when you do it in the right setting the furniture isn't so dark. I like bright rooms. If you use bright walls and hardwoods it becomes more of a showpiece.
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I think i feel this way,because i can remember when i was young...maybe 5 or 6 ..my mum used to visit her Aunt Annie...and she had Dark Victorian Furniture...which i later found out was called Mourning Furniture...anyway. .back to this story...we would visit my mums aunt....but us children were never allowed into the room where her Victorian Parlour set was ...nor ever allowed to sit on it,..not even at Christmas time....That set and everything else that she had...is now in Sapphire land....NS,
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I think i feel this way,because i can remember when i was young...maybe 5 or 6 ..my mum used to visit her Aunt Annie...and she had Dark Victorian Furniture...which i later found out was called Mourning Furniture...anyway. .back to this story...we would visit my mums aunt....but us children were never allowed into the room where her Victorian Parlour set was ...nor ever allowed to sit on it,..not even at Christmas time....That set and everything else that she had...is now in Sapphire land....NS,
And you're going to tell me 'where' in sapphire land so I can go visit it (and sit on it!! :D) Personally I LOVE the old, dark stuff.....but it always got used within our family/relatives homes.
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Sapphire make sure you bring a bunch of kids with you!
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Greenacres is quite the trouble maker! :D
Yes, I responded in at least one other forum to this chair. I get the impression the owner is gathering opinions in preparation for sale. I'm afraid my opinion hasn't changed much, but at least it's positive! What a beautiful chair!
I wouldn't let BigWull sit on my parlor set, either! ;) ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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Greenacres is quite the trouble maker! :D
Yes, I responded in at least one other forum to this chair. I get the impression the owner is gathering opinions in preparation for sale. I'm afraid my opinion hasn't changed much, but at least it's positive! What a beautiful chair!
I wouldn't let BigWull sit on my parlor set, either! ;) ;D
Is that Right.....God...you,ve given me a bloody stitch....LOL!.LOL!!
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Its a nice chair for the type !! But not many are collectors of this type !! Its in the same catagory with all the Empire pieces !! Just no market !!
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I suppose its alright seen through Rose Tinted glasses.... :D
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Its a nice chair for the type !! But not many are collectors of this type !! Its in the same catagory with all the Empire pieces !! Just no market !!
Mart, what is your opinion on the $ value for this?
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I'd buy it!
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It is collectible! BUT if would have to be determined if in fact it is authentic Jelliff or one made in similar fashion - time/era made.
Very desired with high end collectors if determined authentic.
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I'd buy it!
:o :o :o :o...some people just have no taste..... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Greenacres is quite the trouble maker! :D
Yes, I responded in at least one other forum to this chair. I get the impression the owner is gathering opinions in preparation for sale. I'm afraid my opinion hasn't changed much, but at least it's positive! What a beautiful chair!
I wouldn't let BigWull sit on my parlor set, either! ;) ;D
How did you know that we,d just got ourselves another set of bathroom scales.... ;D ;D...
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;)
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Well, my personal opinion would be around $750. !! In some areas could be less !! Even high end collectors would think twice about a chair that can`t be authenticated with any accuracy !! And many of these chairs were produced by factory workers and were shipped out in mass to other areas of the country later in the companies history !! Really all that can be said is that the chair is attributed to his factory,, not to Jelliff !!
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Good that's about what I thought. I think (don't hold me to it) that jelliff himself died before this chair was made although the factory/workshop was there until 1890. But even during his lifetime how can you ever be certain he himself ever worked on a piece even if it's labeled? So technically you can never say a piece is by jelliff!
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Yep !!!
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Yepper!
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If that,s the case then,...then there are many things that carry the name of a founder maker...who have long since popped their clogs,...but the item is still called after them...and sold as being one of theirs...a prime example is Harley Davidson motorcycles...there not sold as anything but HD,s but the original founders are long gone...which brings me back to this chair...if it was made at the Jelliff factory...then it has the right to be sold as a Jelliff chair....
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Yep wullie! If it was made by him...BIG WHOOP!!! If made at his place of business...Whoop. If made to look like his...whoop!
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Yep wullie! If it was made by him...BIG WHOOP!!! If made at his place of business...Whoop. If made to look like his...whoop!
;D...i hope you,re not having a finger malfunction.....you r Whoops are diminishing...fast. ... :P
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Since Harley Davidson is a company name,,and its a brand which is registered would be different rule !! The problem with the chair is only construction methods can be verified and no way to tell if the same methods were used on all !! May or may not have been !! Many workers in that factory so could have been varied by each worker !! Same holds true with many of the period pieces by Duncan Phyfe and others !! "Attributed to" is easy to say,,, hard to prove !!
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That's a BIG WHOOP for the information Mart!
(http://blog.dreamhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/whoop.jpg)
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LOL !!!
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Whoops back to all of you. Thanks for the assortment of comments. The bottom of the chair is covered with a black cloth that I hesitate to take off for fear I might not be able to get it back on.
The dimensions are
44.5 inches to the top of the crest
24 inches to the top of the arm
17 inches to the top of the seat
27 inches wide at the arms
23 inches deep at the seat
Yes, I am interested in selling the chair. There is an identical one on ebay that has been listed for $2495. Of course it doesn't sell. I am trying to get an idea of the reasonable value. Thanks.
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The cloth on bottom is just a dust cover so its not of any importance to the sale !! Most perspective buyers would rather see the construction to judge the approx age of the chair than see the dust cover !! You might consider removing one edge at the leg attachment !! That would be easy to put back using the same tacks !!
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OK I removed a portion of the dust cover, it practically disintegrated. (Fortunately I was able to get it back on without looking too bad). You can't really see much. There are criss crossed straps over the bottom. I was not about to remove them. There are springs between the straps and the top padding - which feels and sounds like horsehair. I took some pics but they don't show a lot. Hope this helps some. Thanks
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Oops, forgot pics.
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It won't let me put anymore pictures on.
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Just resize and make them smaller,, about 1500kb then try to add them !!
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I'll try agaiin with the pics.
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From the nail holes it looks like it might have had these type of springs in it originally.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2672/5779060839_85c640d581.jpg)
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I agree from the looks of the holes! It has definitely been made over...which happens to lots of older pieces.
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My opinion is still basically the same !! Can`t be determined accurately if its from his factory without having it examined by someone that is an expert on his construction methods and that will cost if you can find one !! I would just put a price on it and see what happens !!
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Yep! If you want to sell it you'll just have to take the plunge!