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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: Xuphor on November 11, 2012, 01:59:13 PM
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Hello all, I stumbled upon this rather old silver and crystal antique while going through some boxes in storage. All I can tell for sure is that it has the E.G. Webster and Son logo on it, along with the number "3" below it. There is no other indications as to what it might be on it, it doesn't even say "Quadruple plated" or anything around the logo like some other E.G. Webster and Son pieces do. I have tried finding out what this is for several hours now on the internet, I even went to Google images, typed in "E.G. Webster & Son", and went through dozens and dozens of pages, none of which even came close to matching. On the inside of the crystal bowl, a piece of paper is taped to it that says "This was my mother's, it's over 100 years old. Currently 1958.", which fits along with the time E.G. Webster and Son made things, from the research I've gathered.
Here is a picture of the entire piece put together:
http://i46.tinypic.com/2hd1fd4.jpg (Large picture, I don't want to directly put it in the thread)
Using the above picture as a reference, it's ~5 inches tall, the bowl diameter all the way around is ~ 4 & 1/2 inches, and the width of the silver part including the handles is ~ 7 & 1/2 inches.
Here is a picture showing the three pieces: the crystal bowl, the silver holder for said bowl, and the lid:
http://i50.tinypic.com/2qk49yp.jpg (Another large picture, I don't want to directly put it in the thread)
I'll be glad to answer any other questions about it, if I know them myself, but this is the first antique I've ever found that simply is stumping me as to what it is. I'd mostly just like to know what it is, but if you know a value of it too, I'd like to hear it.
Thank you.
EDIT: Upon further examining the heavily worn logo/hallmark, it might actually be "E.G Webster & Bro", not Son.
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Nice piece for sure most likely Webster Wilcox works. I would guess it to be Late Victorian or maybe Early Century in Age Most likely before Webster was bought by International Silver. Will have to see the Hallmark to help here. As to what it is I think it would be like a very fancy Bon Bon Bowl, or just Center Bowl. If the glass is original and Crystal it would be worth $100.00 to $150.00, which is preimum for a Silverplate item. Nice Piece for sure, Thanks for sharing.
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Will have to see the Hallmark to help here.
Sorry about that, here is the logo/hallmark:
http://i46.tinypic.com/344co5f.png
I'm not sure how I forgot to include that in my original post. I'm using my Android phone to take the pictures, which isn't so good at taking detailed pictures of something so small and up close, so unfortunatly that's the clearest I can get it. It's E.G. Webster & Son N.Y. with the forging hammer holding hand in the center. The only thing that appeared clearly was the "3", which I think is the pattern number.
Thanks for some insight, but I've already checked for EG Webster and Son Centerpieces and Bon Bon bowl, but neither of them have any match to this thing. The closest in appearance is the Centerpiece, but those are way too big. Centerpieces are usually ~9 inches in diameter for the bowl, this one is only ~ 4 and a half inches in diameter, which makes it too small for a Centerpiece. The E.G. Webster and Son Bon Bon bowls do not have any glass/crystal in them at all that I could find, which rules them out too.
Does this additional information help at all?
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What are the dimensions of the piece?
Search under pickle castor or caviar as well. But leaning towards pickle castor!
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What are the dimensions of the piece?
Search under pickle castor or caviar as well.
Using the top picture in the first post (http://i46.tinypic.com/2hd1fd4.jpg) as a reference, it's ~5 inches tall, the bowl diameter is ~ 4 and a half inches, and the width of the silver part including the handles is ~ 7 and a half inches.
I say ~ or about all the time because none of them are exact, they are all extremely strange lengths (like around 5.1672 inches for height), but those are the closest rounded measurements.
I just checked google for ["e.g. webster" caviar] and ["e.g. webster" pickle castor], neither of which look similar to this thing. The caviar ones don't seem to have any crystal/glass at all by Webster, and the pickle castors..... well, here's an example of what those look like: http://image0-rubylane.s3.amazonaws.com/shops/larryscollectibles/G86.1L.jpg As you can see, they aren't even very similar looking, apart from the fact the both have crystal/glass and silver.
Thank you everyone trying to help, but it looks like it's stumping people here so far, as well. ???
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Now that I see the dimensions....
Search Preserves, Mustard or Jam pot.
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Now that I see the dimensions....
Search Preserves, Mustard or Jam pot.
I appreciate all the help, but unfortunatly, it's same as all the others, no match at all. None even come close this time, they are all a very different shape/legging/etc, and none of those have lids nor crystal.
Does anyone have any other guesses or ideas which might help figure out what this thing is?
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http://www.rubylane.com/item/766731-RL905/Antique-Ornate-Victorian-E-G
It's a sugar and creamer set. Not the same exact pattern, but still looking for that. I put in both "Son & Bro," This was under "Bro.".
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http://www.studioantiques.com/store/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.product_details&flypage=SA_standard_flypage.tpl&category_id=124&product_id=1793&Itemid=73
Here is your pattern. It's from 1880.
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I looked at both the links green, but neither looks even remotely like the thing I took pictures of at all.
I'm seriously asking (not trying to say you're wrong, as I'm the one asking), they don't look at all the same (either link), and their dimensions are not even close. Why are you saying that either of those two links are the same thing as what I pictured?
If you mean that the engraving design is the same, then how does that help me identify what the thing I actually have is?
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You sure can`t find what yours is without knowing the pattern !! That is what she is saying !! They made many pieces in each pattern but not all pieces in all patterns !! Use the pattern name and then try googling the names that were suggested !!
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That Hallmark dates the piece 1886 - 1928, after which the company was purchased by International Silver. First good luck finding a pattern name, many of these early Silverplate companies never really had pattern names, even Replacement list their patterns with numbers. As for what it is will be a bit hard to pin point too, many of these early silverplate companies never really made complete sets of Holloware, In many cases they made items in one of a kind pattern, and made a few hundred of them. What you may have is anything from a Sugar if a set was made or a simple small Bon Bon Dish, it does sound a bit small for a Center Bowl. Also note that what I have seen today from them on line most have the same Daisy and Button Bowl, which is a good sign, would be original to the item. What I am trying to say not many of your item is out there and to find a exact example out there can be a task that will take some time, with enough digging you or one of us here will eventiually find it somewhere. I have a few books I could dig through with Webster stuff, but no real time right now. All in All you have a wonderful Piece that would easy be worth of $100.00 or more, and would be for sure a Antique and have a wonderful piece of EAPG Daisy and Button Bowl, which by the way in it self has value.
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Nice work ya'll.
Good advice you have been given by GreenAcres/Mart/Ironlord. We will continue to help you look. As said previously, these items were so desired during this time period that they didn't even have pattern names for all of them. They were just producing them as fast as people would buy them.
Yours is a sugar bowl and not an urn. (The urns were usually sterling and solid with a glass insert that didn't show.) Sometimes the hunt can last for years and some people never find another one like they have. Which, in many cases, is a good thing. Because it then does make the item "rare". (A term that is overused and misused on Ebay all the time now!)
As for the glass insert, Ironlord gave you some great info!
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTORIAN-SILVER-P-AESTHETIC-BRIDE-BASKET-W-DEER-RABBITS-BIRDS-BY-WEBSTER-NR-/121014159790?ru=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=121014159790&_rdc=1&nma=true&si=R2TT6VI31p9MdFJKOFn%2BgIbFQRU%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Here is the bottom section incorrectly described as a brides basket !! Evidently lost/broke the rest !! Didn`t remember if his had all the animals around the band !!
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I agree- it is a sugar bowl. I have one, plus the matching creamer and "spooner." I read somewhere it would have been a 4 piece set including a butter dish. I have seen it with cobalt blue glass, and like mine, that seems to be pressed glass. I am looking for the butter dish to complete mine.
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Hi there and welcome to the forum Ssernaker !! Even though this is an older post its nice that you posted your set for comparison !! Yours is a beauty !!
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Thanks! I had the date around 1867 because of the hallmark. But not sure. I haven't even found a picture of the butter dish to see what it looks like - as I said, I'm trying to complete the set. I'm ocd that way.
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Post a separate thread here for the butter dish !! The members here can possibly help you look for it !! Might at least find a pic so you know what you are looking for !!
Post the hallmark too please !!
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Hi ssernaker! Nice 3 piece set. Love that the spooner is intact!
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https://www.google.com/search?q=EG+webster+butter+dish+1880&biw=1280&bih=626&tbm=isch&imgil=olQFBfPCFG9B_M%253A%253BbmVvOsXsry1qnM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fsch%25252FButter-Dishes-%25252F163050%25252Fi.html%25253F_dcat%2525253D163050%25252526Age%2525253D1850%25252525252D1899&source=iu&pf=m&fir=olQFBfPCFG9B_M%253A%252CbmVvOsXsry1qnM%252C_&usg=__qfO0q7ZAyAjDA1XN21gZbR5517A%3D&ved=0CDcQyjc&ei=EpJ8VIPSCa-0sAStj4HwDQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=olQFBfPCFG9B_M%253A%3BbmVvOsXsry1qnM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fthumbs4.ebaystatic.com%252Fd%252Fl225%252Fm%252FmvTKEIcF3UCfD30x1yhRahw.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.com%252Fsch%252FButter-Dishes-%252F163050%252Fi.html%253F_dcat%253D163050%2526Age%253D1850%2525252D1899%3B218%3B225
Don`t know why that link is so long but see if this one or any of these is your butter dish !!
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It is more likely that there was a waste bowl that went along with this!
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New info:Apparently I posted before as ssernaker. The glass seems the same as yours, although I have seen it with cobalt blue glass. The set on Ebay I saw for sale had 2 pieces with the blue glass (I forget which 2) and was asking $795. I don't know if it sold. What I read was it may have come as a 4 piece set known as a "breakfast set" that would include a butter dish, imho. I have never seen an example of the butter dish. The glass seems to be early pressed glass if I recall correctly, which seems like it could be historically significant. Also that it is #3, is an early like 1860-1880 model.
I have found pieces like mine though. If the link works, here is one.
https://www.etsy.com/search?q=webster+glass&order=most_relevant&view_type=gallery&ship_to=US