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Title: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: yellowthumb on December 09, 2012, 07:51:57 AM
My dad got this at a auction here in the US 15-20 years ago.

It's 100% solid wood and is carved very nicely. Not sure who the figure is but appears to be a hobo. Near the base someone etched in very very sloppy 1947, but it was done so bad that it cannot be from the original artist. I don't know anything about it, other than someone ruined it by scribbling in a year on it.

(http://i.imgur.com/xuXEt.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/KIcM0.jpg)
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: bigwull on December 09, 2012, 08:02:33 AM
I would,nt say its been ruined...what other way is there to sign a piece of wood...
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: mart on December 09, 2012, 11:37:52 AM
Anything on the bottom ??
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: KC on December 09, 2012, 12:00:53 PM
It is only part of it's character.  It could have been made by a parent and the child wanted to remember the year....It could also be a big plus to the value$$$.

It is a wonderful piece!!!!

I used to see things "less than perfect" as flawed...but in dealing with antiques/vintage items....it is the acquired character marks and endurance over the many years of an item, that give it it's value!
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: yellowthumb on December 09, 2012, 12:22:07 PM
Anything on the bottom ??

Nope, nothing on the bottom.
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: mart on December 09, 2012, 01:08:59 PM
Would be near impossible to determine the maker without something written on it !!  Other than the subject matter,, there is nothing about the style that stands out !! That date was probably the date it was acquired or given as a gift and the person just scratched the date in to remember the year it was received !!  Best thing is to watch ebay for similar wood carvings,, someone may still have a sticker/label on one !!
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: yellowthumb on December 09, 2012, 02:50:15 PM
I was hoping the style of the carving and attire of the figure might suggest the time period it was made and where. And from that I might be able to research it some more.
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: mart on December 09, 2012, 03:09:09 PM
Not really because anyone can carve a figure in whatever attire they want !! Could have just as easily been carved yesterday as 50 years ago !!
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: yellowthumb on December 09, 2012, 03:22:02 PM
true, i did some more searching and it seems as if wood carvings of beggars is kind of popular, the price range varies though
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: KC on December 09, 2012, 03:57:02 PM
Can you please tell us the dimensions of the piece?  What area of the US was this from?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: bigwull on December 09, 2012, 04:11:07 PM
The more i look at this figure...the more it reminds me of ..Black Forest Carving..the wood resembles limewood...here,s a pic of a Black Forest Figure...but you can see the resemblance...I think this is the area where you should concentrate your search
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: Rauville on December 09, 2012, 04:32:33 PM
Funny, while Bigwull sees Black Forest, I see a postwar Japanese folk carving? ???
Regardless of origin, I would guess that this was picked up by a member of the US occupational forces, back in 1947.

(http://ccyee.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/ainu-folk-art-mainly-on-wood-carvings1.jpg?w=720)
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: KC on December 09, 2012, 04:44:39 PM
I would say he represents a worker of the late 1800's to early 1900's.  He is carrying food and ?  You will see many pictures of men done from that time period.

Example:  here is one from Portugal that is in the Harvard Art Museums/Fogg Museums
(http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:HUAM:INV146877_dynmc?width=560&height=560)

The hat style/foods are trying to tell us something.  Also, isn't that a headwrap under the hat?

Could you please post a pic of this back and what he is carrying?  Still need dimensions.
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: bigwull on December 09, 2012, 04:51:05 PM
Funny, while Bigwull sees Black Forest, I see a postwar Japanese folk carving? ???
Regardless of origin, I would guess that this was picked up by a member of the US occupational forces, back in 1947.

(http://ccyee.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/ainu-folk-art-mainly-on-wood-carvings1.jpg?w=720)
all i see here is ZZ Top... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: KC on December 09, 2012, 05:35:51 PM
Thanks alot Wullie...now I see Billy Gibbons for sure!  LOL
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: bigwull on December 09, 2012, 06:13:18 PM
These carvings Rauville are more refined than...the one we,re discussing...
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: yellowthumb on December 09, 2012, 06:15:22 PM
Got it in Texas. I cant find a ruler or my measuring tape, but its over 2feet tall. He is carry bread. I've found a few almost similar wood begger sculptures on ebay but they vary in year and location.
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: mart on December 09, 2012, 06:22:14 PM
What do you mean "by year and location" ??
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: KC on December 09, 2012, 07:52:32 PM
Yes....us Texans want to know!  :)
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: mart on December 09, 2012, 08:09:56 PM
We are a curious sort,, aren`t we KC ??
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: yellowthumb on December 09, 2012, 09:35:24 PM
I just meant you can find similar stuff from different time periods and from different countries

Here is a search I did on ebay earlier
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=wood+beggar&_sacat=0&_odkw=wood+beard&_fspt=1&_sop=12&_osacat=0&_mPrRngCbx=1
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: mart on December 10, 2012, 08:32:42 AM
The date that is on it is not the year it was made !!  How would you know the country it came from if it isn`t marked ??  Not trying to do a "got cha`" here but,, would it be likely that a person so skilled in carving wood would do a lousy job with the year ??  These have been imported and brought back from vacations for years so the best anyone can do is guess at the origin !! My feeling is its from Germany but there is absolutely no basis for it,,, just a guess !!  Could just as easily be from somewhere here in the states !!
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: bigwull on December 10, 2012, 09:26:28 AM
We are a curious sort,, aren`t we KC ??
Curiosity killed the cat.... ;D
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: KC on December 10, 2012, 12:59:30 PM
Hissssssssss!
(http://themodernjedi.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/hissing-cat.jpg)
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: bigwull on December 10, 2012, 02:02:37 PM
Eh,could say something here...but...am afeart..that it micht be construed the wrang wi...suffice tae say..it starts wi a P ...and ends wi a Y....an i,ve got twa o. them on ma lap as i write... ;D
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: ghopper1924 on December 10, 2012, 02:13:21 PM
Better ON your lap than IN it ;D
Title: Re: Unknown Wooden Sculpture
Post by: mart on December 10, 2012, 03:12:35 PM
LOL  !!  Ghopper !! Avril would kill him !!