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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: Debbelle on December 09, 2012, 04:51:40 PM
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This lamp has been in my family for years, but I don't know anything about it. It has no name identification and I can't find anything like it anywhere. The middle 'box' opens up and there is a light in there. The leaves are some sort of metal/tin (?). The vase is removable. It is heavy. I think it's some sort of brass or something. Can anyone identify this for me - and possibly give me the correct terms for some of the points I've mentioned. Thanks.
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Can you take a pic of the bottom ?? Has it ever been rewired ??
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Here is a picture of the bottom.
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Looks like brass !! And if it hasn`t been redone it pretty modern wiring !!
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Looks like brass !! And if it hasn`t been redone it pretty modern wiring !!
I don't know if it's been redone. But, I have a friend who's very electrically inclined. I'm sure he'll be able to tell me.
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if you can check the colour of the wiring inside the outer cable..if its black/red...its old, if its blue/brown its modern...but that does,nt mean that the lamp is modern...it may have been rewired for safety reasons...
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Its called an Epergne lamp but havent seen one with this much going on !!
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Mutual Sunset Lamp Company made lots of interesting epergne lamps with common parts like this in the late 30's...but the base of the lamp would be marks MSLC or have the name written out. Since that time in the 50's and onward there were lots of imports that mimicked the lamps of the 20's and 30's. Just for grins here is one with some common elements:
(http://www.architecturalwarehouse.com/gallery2/main.php/d/20200-2/%235057_001)
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Right KC !! Thats why I was looking at the wiring !!
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I've never seen light bulbs like this before, either. Are these old?
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That is new lamp cord and so is the black electrical tape wrapped around it.
Which implies that a new lamp cord was spliced to the older new lamp cord.
Meaning someone probably "spliced" a longer cord on it because the old one wasn't long enough to reach the outlet where they wanted to sit the lamp.
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Agree about the epergne/lamp function. I've only seen a couple of these over the years; obviously, a small vase full of water and flowers might not be the best thing to sit on top of an electric lamp.
The color of the vase seems more like 1970s than 1930s.
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I am sure thinking later repro !! I enlarged the pic and even wire that was spliced into doesn`t look like older types !! I am guessing this is from 40`s or later !!
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I've never seen light bulbs like this before, either. Are these old?
The light bulbs are modern...see link...they are called Bent Tip bulbs..
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Frosted-Bent-Halogen-Candle-Light/dp/B003JG19JI/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1355154984&sr=8-7
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Here are some pictures of the wiring inside the 'box' that opens on a hinge. The first picture is the top part that leads to the petal lights, and the second picture is the bottom inside of the 'box' - which also shows the light bulb in there. The third picture is one of the petal light bulbs - which is broken (happened when I turned on the lamp). This is not like any bulb I've seen recently. ????
The wiring inside definitely is cloth. Hope this helps. Please let me know what you think. Thanks.
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wiring is old..bulb..is modern...see my link....on post above...
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I'm just thinking out loud here...but the epergne/vase looks like it could be a replacement?
I just get the feel of the late 30's to mid 40's (after war). The old/frayed cloth covered wiring seals the deal on this for me! (Yes I know you can still buy it today and rework a lamp with it...)
These still sell for a pretty penny. Gaudy...but people love it! Speaks of a time that was slower and one would exude the sense of grandeur in select items. Then, less was better.
Can you tell if the inner box has glass or resin or plastic used?
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I'm just thinking out loud here...but the epergne/vase looks like it could be a replacement?
I just get the feel of the late 30's to mid 40's (after war). The old/frayed cloth covered wiring seals the deal on this for me! (Yes I know you can still buy it today and rework a lamp with it...)
These still sell for a pretty penny. Gaudy...but people love it! Speaks of a time that was slower and one would exude the sense of grandeur in select items. Then, less was better.
Can you tell if the inner box has glass or resin or plastic used?
Gaudy....my, what a polite word for it...i,d call it .."Gugit"..... ;D ;D...
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Bigwull - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It's not my type either, but, I'd have to say that it's still a pretty lamp, epergne, etc.
Mart - I'm not sure if it's glass, resin, or plastic. I'm going to have my neighbor take a look at it to see if she knows what the material might be. I'll post back on that.
Here is another picture of the wiring from the top where the vase sets. Also, the vase is far from perfect. It has lots of bubbles and imperfections inside the glass, and has 3 seams.
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You could do a ..hot pin test..i.e. to determine if its plastic or resin...but on looking at this latest pic..if i did,nt know better i,d say this was white metal
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I didn't want to sound rude....but that is an endearing term in the "shabby chic" arena. AND I went on to say it is a LOVED LOOK!!!
It is highly possible that it is an original epergne...then I would date it a little later if it was based on the glass. (I was betting it could be white metal...but it is one of those items that needs a hands on....irregardless. ..it will sell if they choose to resell!)
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That last pic is much better !! That wire is more appropriate for an older lamp !! So it has been rewired !!