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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: valmont325 on January 17, 2013, 11:17:26 AM
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havent got any replies yet on this other site, but instead of reposting all the images ill just send the link...
http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/antiques/msg0117205918417.html?4
Would like to know any info on these that i can get. Thanks
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Sorry, I can`t use that link !! Gardenweb doesn`t open for me !!
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Very nice for Electroplate, and lovely case.
Is that an E or an F ? Could be Joseph Elliot and Sons, Sheffield.
£100-150.
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J.F & S S EP
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agree valmont it if J.F & SS, EP.
Haven't found a maker for this yet.
EP means electro plated - which means a think layer of silver over a base metal body thus silver-plated!
You might want to search dessert set forks and knives to get an idea of the ballpark yours are selling for now. Seeing alot of these popping up for sale lately. Being boxed helps some but doesn't give the value alot of boost. Depending on where you live makes a big difference and selling after February will help boost $$ a tad bit. Also, when comparing yours - make sure you compare silver plated and not sterling silver!!
The only JF I can find is Friedman Silver Company but they are a "J Crown F"...so that isn't it!
These can sell anywhere from $30 to well over $150. Depends on day. Since yours has hallmarks (even though I cannot identify) they most likely will sell on the high end...if in excellent shape!
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Would help to know where he and the set is located !!
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That has to be an E rather than F !! Listed in English electroplate is J.E & SS EP For Joseph Eliott and Sons, Sheffield !!
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agree valmont it if J.F & SS, EP.
Haven't found a maker for this yet.
EP means electro plated - which means a think layer of silver over a base metal body thus silver-plated!
You might want to search dessert set forks and knives to get an idea of the ballpark yours are selling for now. Seeing alot of these popping up for sale lately. Being boxed helps some but doesn't give the value alot of boost. Depending on where you live makes a big difference and selling after February will help boost $$ a tad bit. Also, when comparing yours - make sure you compare silver plated and not sterling silver!!
The only JF I can find is Friedman Silver Company but they are a "J Crown F"...so that isn't it!
These can sell anywhere from $30 to well over $150. Depends on day. Since yours has hallmarks (even though I cannot identify) they most likely will sell on the high end...if in excellent shape!
They'd fetch more than $150 here in UK.
They appear to be in excellent condition, as does the case
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Why would it help to know where i and the set are located? Gonna come steal them? :D I live in New york.
How old would we say this is?
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I found your maker, it was made by Joseph Elliot and Sons. They have been in business since 1878 and they are still in business, so the best way to determine a precise age would be to contact the company. They are in Sheffield England.
http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/joseph-elliot-%28sheffield%29 (http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/joseph-elliot-%28sheffield%29)
The "EP" stands for electro-plate.
http://www.925-1000.com/silverplate_E.html (http://www.925-1000.com/silverplate_E.html)
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I found your maker, it was made by Joseph Elliot and Sons.
How is it Joseph Elliot if the Initials are J.F?
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Disagree about J.E...It is distinctly J.F and haven't found a J.F & S S like the ones on this dessert set so far. There are lots of J.F makers in silver but in different shapes...none J.F with the & S S.
Still looking.
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Just came across this...
http://www.etsy.com/listing/108854339/mother-of-pearl-etched-fork-and-knife
same exact one! I am waiting for a reply from them. Hoping they know more about the hallmark.
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Why would it help to know where i and the set are located? Gonna come steal them? :D I live in New york.
How old would we say this is?
Thats simple !! It tells us where to look as a likely place of manufacture even though many items made in the UK are found here we would normally look at home first !! And since these marks are stamped into the metal, an error or a lighter contact on the bottom of that E is always possible !! And if that stamp was used for any length of time everything produced would have the same mark !! And since no one has found J.F & SS the probability goes up that it is J.E & SS !!
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http://www.silvercollection.it/1821ELLIOTTBIS.jpg
This is a known Joseph Elliott & Sons mark !! Look at the E here !!
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I thought so, too, back in the third post.
I've never heard of a JF&S for Sheffield. There are comprehensive lists out there but not seen that maker.
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Yes, I know !! If there were a J.F & S it would have shown up in a search somewhere,, as many as we have done !! Joseph Elliott EP is an excellent quality for plated ware !! And his mark does have the S for Sheffield !! That limits where the maker would be,, no point in looking other places !!
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I do appreciate the help. So i will take this path and go down it now. What is the best option for figuring out more about these? like a contact?
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I'm guessing that J.F. & S is the mark of a cutlery maker, rather than a silversmith. I wish I had more to back this theory up.
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_forum/download/file.php?id=84613&mode=view (http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_forum/download/file.php?id=84613&mode=view)
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Contact for what ?? Its a fruit cutlery set by a well known maker ?? What were you wanting to know ??
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now judging by that photo i am Certain it's J.F! theres no mistake, its gotta be an "F" Maybe JOSEPH FENTON & SONS
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Contact for what ?? Its a fruit cutlery set by a well known maker ?? What were you wanting to know ??
Id like to know a Year it was made. If the pattern has a name. Along with a good estimate of price.
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http://www.silvercollection.it/electroplatesilverF.html#FENTO
Scroll down to find their marks !! It doesn`t match any of them !!
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http://www.silvercollection.it/electroplatesilverF.html#FENTO
Scroll down to find their marks !! It doesn`t match any of them !!
On that site. But i have seen other places that Match.
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If you found marks that match, you haven`t gave a link !! And if you found one that matches,, what are we looking for ??
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Found this...link...scrol l down to J.F....may be a Birmingham mark...Fenton...is mentioned....along with fruit knife...
http://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/Sheffield-J.html
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Well i,m going to stick my neck on the block..and agree with Mart...I found a stamp...that,s identical to your J.F SS EP....but,its J.E over SS EP...which is a Birmingham mark..what like Mart posted...nowhere can i find...J.F S S EP...have you never thought that perhaps with all the polishing that cutlery got..that perhaps what you,re seeing now..was,nt always like that...
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That Fenton mark doesn`t match Wullie, Saw that one earlier !! The dot is halfway up and is listed as a "dash" !!
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I,m not talking about that one...I knew that did,nt match...re-read my last post...
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this is the one i,m talking about....
http://www.silvercollection.it/electroplatesilverEH.html#ELLI
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Contact for what ?? Its a fruit cutlery set by a well known maker ?? What were you wanting to know ??
Id like to know a Year it was made. If the pattern has a name. Along with a good estimate of price.
I've given one. Having done this stuff for a long time, including Sheffield silverware and plated items.
These aren't just wild guesses.
" the mark of a cutlery maker, rather than a silversmith " same thing in Sheffield for many companies. Not called Cutlers for nothing.
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this is the one i,m talking about....
http://www.silvercollection.it/electroplatesilverEH.html#ELLI
After Jonathan Cape had printed the first edition of the Bond title " Moonraker ", someone noticed a variation on the printing. On page 10 in many copies, the word " shoot " has no ' t ' . It fell off or was covered by something during the process ( some people believe it was initially covered up then became clear later )
It happens in printing / stamping.
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The big difference is also noted that the &S are together for the maker that ya'll are wanting to link it to...This one isn't.
There are also alot of makers that try and make their identification marks ever-so-close to well known ones to try and gain success from their coat tails. So, I am not on the bandwagon on this one.
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Not in the link Bigwull has linked to
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this is the one i,m talking about....
http://www.silvercollection.it/electroplatesilverEH.html#ELLI
Thats the same one I posted earlier but he didn`t go for it !!
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I have looked at that over and over....Unless the company changed their lettering styles for different sets (don't think they would but stranger things have happened)
Could it be? Yes...but I wouldn't bank on it. They don't match up for me if I was selling it to state it was that.
If you look at the enlarged pic tat the poster put...it is pretty distinct and doesn't look worn or faint.
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I have looked everywhere and could not find anything with an F !! I did look up the history of Elliot and it said there specialties were Razors, Dessert sets, Palette knives and Scissors !!
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this is the one i,m talking about....
http://www.silvercollection.it/electroplatesilverEH.html#ELLI
Thats the same one I posted earlier but he didn`t go for it !!
I think that ..he thinks..that he,s got something unique....trouble is..if we can,t find...any ref..to the stamp...then...he may just have to accept it.....
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Here's another possibility to consider...
http://www.marks4antiques.com/pseudo-marks-on-antique-silver.htm#sthash.hxtMd51a.dpbs (http://www.marks4antiques.com/pseudo-marks-on-antique-silver.htm#sthash.hxtMd51a.dpbs)
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Thanks everyone. I'm sticking a $365 Price tag on it due to Condition age and material. Appreciate all the help.
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Don`t think that would help on this one Rauville since it is clearly marked EP !! I mean couldn`t pass as sterling !!
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Let us know how it goes.
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Let us know how it goes.
Will Do!