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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: greenacres on January 20, 2013, 03:16:50 PM
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When I decided to take in my last dog "Butch" I was recommended to purchase "Fatal Dog Attacks". The book was written in 2002 for $19.99. I purchased a new book for $80.00 about 3 years ago. It had a hole in the back. A good version then was $150.00 on Amazon. My sister was in from L.A. and I was showing her the book. She has been working with dogs. I went on Amazon. Today a new book is $380.00. As my rescue person said "I wished I purchased a ton of them when they were in print!". "What an investment."
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Butch is my Bull Terrier. Some people forget they fought beside our soldiers. These are 1902 postcards. This is "Stubby with his medal.
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Why is such a newer book so popular? To go up in ten years like then, and even during an economic slump?
Stubby was awesome. I wouldn't mind have a pup like Stubby.
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HA, maybe because you are helping to pay for them ...... cause Police Depts are buying them.
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Stubby looks like a Staffordshire terrier !!
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Stubby looks like a Staffordshire terrier !!
that,s been on steroids... and then got whacked with the ugly stick...... ;)
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Staffies here are much taller & brawnier than those in the UK that I have seen !! Shorter muzzle but much like pit bulls !! Lot of people here can`t tell the difference !!
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if they are all as ugly as this one...then just keep them there....
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Imdon`t think they arew ugly !! I usually have pit bulls !! Now I have a bunch of roadside finds !! Scottish deerhound X, black lab and lab/shephard mix !! Now you want ugly,, that scottish deerhound is ugly,, but sweet !!
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Imdon`t think they arew ugly !! I usually have pit bulls !! Now I have a bunch of roadside finds !! Scottish deerhound X, black lab and lab/shephard mix !! Now you want ugly,, that scottish deerhound is ugly,, but sweet !!
roadside finds.....over here that,s called "theft by finding"..and is deemed a criminal offence..
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I need some of those roadside finds myself. :D Durn weather forecast here is calling for -19 degrees tonight! I'm just afraid I'll run short of "bed warmers".
(http://www.dakotachihuahuas.com/ccbaby)
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yup...the more bods in the bed the better...minus 10/15...here tonight....brrrrr
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Rauville is that yours? It's so tiny and cute! Also, the book is very educational. It explains that Golden Retrivers are the most likely to bite. That there are reasons behind biting that are not told in the media. It's true facts and statistics. More people should read about the breeds they decide to take home and maybe there would be less dogs at the pound. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are things more valueable than looks, suchas, loyalty and friendship.
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That Global Warming is making my furnace work overtime this morning, .......
It is now 4 AM and my thermometer dial is sitting on 7 F.
It will probably drop a couple more degrees between now and daylight.
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4 a.m.? You're awfully early! :)
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That Global Warming is making my furnace work overtime this morning, .......
It is now 4 AM and my thermometer dial is sitting on 7 F.
It will probably drop a couple more degrees between now and daylight.
Thought you were in Florida ?? Hate to say it but here maybe 35 F at night and 60`s 70`s daytime !! Been wanting to dig in the garden in this weather !!
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They say early bird catches the worm! ;D It is rather chilly out. It snowed last night.
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That Global Warming is making my furnace work overtime this morning, .......
It is now 4 AM and my thermometer dial is sitting on 7 F.
It will probably drop a couple more degrees between now and daylight.
4 a.m.? You're awfully early!
Always have been, or as long as I can remember being, that is. And that is when I was 5 years old.
I hardly ever slept more than 5 to 6 hours. Even nowdays, if I fall asleep at say 8 pm watching TV ... I will wake up and be turning the coffee pot on by 1 am.
Thought you were in Florida ?? Hate to say it but here maybe 35 F at night and 60`s 70`s daytime !!
Nah, center of West Virginia, ..... 2 of the wife's daughters live in Fl. But I did l spend 20 years way Upstate NY, like 63' until 83'.
And yup, the temp dropped to 5 F by daylight ..... but a heat wave moved in ;D ;D and its back up to 24 F now... and now is 12:30 pm
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Oh !! That explains the frigid temp !!
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We got a Standard Poodle years back (they do not shed like most breeds so great for indoors) and have been TOTALLY pleased with them since. Uber intelligent and Quick to Learn, Loyal and great protectors (they will bite) but they get bored easily and are extremely mischievous!
We can't have them out when young children are in the pool or lake - they always jump in and drag them to "safety". They have an innate desire to "save" young ones. All our friends what have them have the same situation happen.
Used in war to guard US facilities. Didn't make it to the top 5 war dogs because of maintenance (clipping) and are high relationship dogs. It's "fancy" Poodle cut came about from preservation not for looks! They are hard working water dogs and used a couriers during the war in France. They were shaved (their heavy fur can become very heavy with water) to streamline for couriering and after coming out of the water their joints would freeze up. So, the fur was left longer on the joints and brain! Thus, the French Poodle Cut!
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I love that story KC. I've trying to collect antique dog postcards with pictues depicting service dogs for my husband. Some have become so exspensive. The "Pitbull postcards I would like to start a page to show the characters of "Pits", so people don't fear them so much. There's a card I am interested in buying where the Pit is a courageous fire dog. It's not in great shape so I haven"t made a decission yet.
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although the Poodle is often called French..its actually German...and dates back to the 1500
Group: Non-sporting (Standard / Miniature)
& Toy (Toy)
Country of origin: Germany
Date of origin: 1500′s
Originally bred for: Water retriever / Companion
Current function: Companion
Size: Large
Coat length: Medium
Shedding: No
Grooming requirements: Daily
Town or Country: Either
Ideal home: (Large house) & (Apartment /
Small or Large house)
Minimum garden size: Small / Medium
Exercise requirements: Up to 1 hour per day
Lifespan: Over 10 year
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;D ;D ;D You know your dogs I see.
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I did know they originated in Germany! Should have put that! Give credit where credit is due. The French seem to get get the (unsaid) credit for it! :O
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;D ;D ;D You know your dogs I see.
Na...courtesy of ..Wikipedia.... ;D
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Have you ever seen this picture of a pit bull from a farm in Texas? Always liked it!
(http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-111014-unlikely-animals-book/ss-111014-unlikely-friends-dog-cat-chicks.ss_full.jpg)
From a book called "Unlikely Friendships" Chicks perch on a Siamese-snowshoe cat, who keeps the little ones in a line with her nose, and a pit bull, who is a loving father figure to many animals on their Texas farm.
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Its hard to believe that..this breed originally came from the UK...circa 1800,s...yet is now banned in the UK...under the Dangerous Dog act...this came to pass in 1991...and anyone caught with one..or even a cross bred..is liable to a hefty fine...or even imprisonment...In Germany...if you want.what is classed as a dangerous breed..then when the dog is 9months..it has to be tested @a cost of 200eoro,s paid by the owner...for aggressiveness...if it fails the test..no dog...
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Love that picture KC. The dog looks like it had ACL surgery if you look closely. I've had a lot of experience with this topic. My female has had the same surgery on both knees. Poodles are the smartest dogs on the dog chain. Pits are 66. That's our family joke with "Butch" when he does something silly. We tell him it's okay he's nummber 66 on the brain chain.
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LOL!
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Never had a mean pit bull !! Temperment and aggressiveness is a people problem,more than a dog problem !! The way I have seen some of these dogs being kept ( 5 ft chain big enough to hold an elephant, no human contact) I can`t say I blame the dog !! Pits are family type dogs and love people, they need to be part of the family !!
Meanest dog I ever had was a pointer bird dog !! She didn`t like anybody !!
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It's the people not the dogs.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132912/Horror-family-dog-kills-dismembers-month-old-baby-father-slept.html
Tell that to the parents of this child....and to every other set of parents the world over...that have lost a child to a family "pet"...its your fault "not the dogs"...its in every dog...to kill,..its the nature of the breed...it may be the most docile of creatures...but...a s they are all descendants from wolves...then...i,m afraid...your comment does,nt...hold water...
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I hate to say your wrong. If you read the facts, these dogs are usually gotten from the pound. The people probably didn't have enough info about the dog and left their children alone with the dog without knowing it's bakground. Or, maybe the kids were taunting the dog. There are many reasons well documented. I've seen parents at a dog show walk up to a dog they don't even know and allow their children to walk up and put their faces right in the dogs face with the parent standing there. Who's foolish now. Dogs are animals people should treat them as such! I'm saying that quietly so my dogs don't hear that, lol.
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I can see that you will never hear a bad word said about..a dog...well you,are welcome to your opinion as for the well documented reasons..,well for every good reason..there is an opposite...i could fill this page and the next..with the negatives...like the one recently here in the UK..whereby..a one month old sleeping child was mauled to death by the family pet...which i might add had been with this family from a pup...and it had never shown any aggression in the past.....No doubt...you,ll have an answer for that....and then there,s the 327 child deaths in the U S ..by more family pets....who no doubt were owned by...people who just did,nt know how to look after their pet pooch....
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What breed of dog did that Wullie ?? I wonder who in their right mind would leave a one month old child with a dog of any breed,, large, small or in between ??
When I was a kid the same thing was said about Chows then Shephards, then Dobies, then Rotties and now its Pits !!
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The dog was a Jack Russell....and it was not left with the child...the parents were at home..and like most homes that i know where people have dogs...and children...the dog has the run of the house...my point is Mart...any dog will turn...and there does,nt have to be a reason...its in them...take our dog for instance...you,ve seen the type she is...we,ve had her since she was 11 months old...and from 11 months until she was 6 years old...she,d lick you to death...we,ve had friends children dress her up in childrens clothes..she never barked.or growled .she came into a house where there were two resident cats..no problems.....until. ..3 months ago...she attacked our oldest cat Poppy....no reason...no antagonism from the cat...we were sitting watching television...and Bess was in her bed...Poppy walked past as she had done hundreds of times before....then out of the blue..and before Avril or I could react...Bess attacked Poppy..she grabbed her...and tossed her...in the air...a greater shock we have never had...we were dumbfounded.....I grabbed Bess and chastised her...she slunk back to her bed..and remained there for a good while... ..she has not repeated this,..but we see her in a different light now...
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I agree that its possible and would only change the word " will attack" to "can attack" given the right circumstance !! Some of which we know and others we do not know !! I just don`t see all the blame given to some breeds !!
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I guess I will hafta jump into this fracus and offer my learned opinion on a few of the comments in the above 2 posts.
But first I would like to say that if you want to make a dog “mean n’ vicious” to most anyone except the …. “hand-that-feeds-it”, …. then chain the dog up in an isolated spot and you will create the proverbial “Junkyard Dog”.
any dog will turn...and there does,nt have to be a reason...its in them...
There had to have been a reason, one just has to figure out what it was. Canines and Felines are natural “predator” competing enemies. One breed of German hunting dog is “graded” on how quick it can kill a cat.
cats..no problems.....until. ..3 months ago...she attacked our oldest cat Poppy....no reason...no antagonism from the cat
Most dogs are unique among the animal world because they have a good memory and can “sense” things about another animal that others can not. Thus, your cat must have done something or was doing something that triggered the attack. HA, I agree with your dog. I’ll tolerate another person’s cat, but I don’t like any cat, period.
"can attack" given the right circumstance
Most any predator animal, including humans, “will attack” given the right circumstance. Perpetrators of “domestic violence” is not restricted to the males of the species.
I just don`t see all the blame given to some breeds !!
Some breeds deserve all the blame …. because that is why they are the “breed” that they are.
They were “selectively” bred to have those “qualities”. Or to be more accurately stated, they were “selectively” bred because of the ease in “training” them to exercise said “qualities” via a “command” or “request” from their human mentor.
And just like the human animal, members of those “selective” breeds don’t always wait until they are told to “before they attack”.
In closing I would like to caution all. If you experience or show any “signs” of fear or fright, ..... when in close proximity to one of those “attack” breeds …. you will likely be in dire trouble ..... if it is not “chained” or “caged”.
And that doesn’t exclude you iffen you are the one “holding the chain”.
Cheers
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I totally agree with..what you have said about dogs having a good memory....many years ago..I had a Doberman...it was a young dog..10 months ..he was a very good dog...house trained...and good with my young family...one day..whilst i was out exercising him...he saw another dog...and like all dogs he ran over to have a good sniff...but the other dogs owner...did,nt like...his pooch being sniffed by my dog...i was with a friend and for a moment or two i took my eye off our dog....then i heard a yelp...and looked over to where he was...and just saw the other owners leg moving backwards our dog..was in some distress...and crippling a little...i immediately ran over..and asked the other guy..what the hell he thought he was doing...his answer was a lot of effing and c..ing..and that my dangerous dog should be kept on a lead.....fast forward...6 months...i was in my local bar one night with my dog...he was lying at my feet....when all of a sudden he launched himself the length of the bar and clamped his teeth into a man,s leg...just behind the knee...i went over to apologise..as the guy turned round...with my dog still clamped to his leg....and lo and behold....it was the same guy...who had swung a kick at my dog 6 months before...."what goes around comes around"...i said...no action was taken...as my dog had,nt drawn blood..he had just held..his tormentor....but..a fter that i kept him on a lead when in the bar....
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Paybacks are hell,, as they say in the south !!
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Cogar do you work with dogs or are you a police officer? You seem very knowledgeable about dogs.
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First, to answer Greenacres question, .... "NO", I have only ever owned one (1) dog, the "story" of it I was just about to "post" in response to Bugwull's post.
And Greenacres, ..... I am a "science guy", by Degree a teacher of both physical and biological science, .... and by choice, a student of animal behaviors, including the human animal, and thus have great interest in the resolving of the "whys & what-fors" of their evolutionary evolved "personality" traits, as well as both their physical and mental ones. And by Profession career I was a "computer guy". But those are just two (2) of my many interests and talents. ;D ;D
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Bigwull, I once had a kinda “frightening” experience.
I never really wanted an “in-house” dog or cat. That was until one day a good friend at work ask me if I would take his good friend’s dog who could no longer keep it in the City where he lived. I first said absolutely not. He kept pleading, saying the dog was older, house broken, gentle, kind, etc. and given the fact I lived out in the country, at the end of a “dead-end” road, I finally relented and agreed to take the dog home just to keep my friend happy ….. but knowing full well that if I couldn’t find someone to quickly give the dog to …. I would just shoot it and bury it out on the “back 40”.
Well now, said dog was far more than how my friend described it. It was a full-grown Registered female Collie of the “golden” long nosed breed and within 48 hours after I got her home, … “Lady”, which was her name, became a full-fledged member of the family. And around me, the wife, my young daughter and the dozens of relatives, friends and neighbors who might show up by invite or unexpectedly, Lady was the best mannered, happy, friendly, pleasing dog anyone would ever want to pet or hug. Lady actually loved it whenever someone came to visit.
And NEVER did I ever see Lady become irritated, grouchy, mean, defensive, threatening, etc., to anyone …… until one Sunny warm day we were outside in the yard and my daughter, who was about 3 at the time, was enjoying her “swing set” ….. and Lady was around the other side of the house doing something. And life “was good” …. until up my driveway (dead-end road) came this older model car ……. which stopped about 50 feet from where I was standing …. and out stepped this grungy looking dude with long hair and carrying what looked to be like a salesman’s folder of papers … and with a smile on his face started walking toward me.
Well now, bout that time Lady came running from around the other side of the house with her tail wagging in the air and a happy n’ friendly look on her face to greet our visitor. But just before she ran past me …. she got a “good look” at that dude and immediately slouched down to an “attack” position … with her tail straight out, … the hair on her neck and back standing straight up …. her mouth open and teeth apply displayed ….and with a low “snarl” emitting from her throat as she headed straight toward that dude. But lucky for him I was close enough to grab Lady by her collar and hold her back.
That dude with a now fearful look of shock on his face says … “What’s the matter with that dog”, to which I answered, ….. “I really don’t have the faintest clue but I suggest you get back in you car and get the hell out of here before she manages to get loose from me”. And to this day I do not know what “trigger” Lady’s reaction. Maybe he had “devious intentions” for harming us or Lady remembered him or someone that looked like him that she hated with a passion. I just know Lady was as serious as a “heart attack” about taking a bite of flesh n' blood out of him ..... and would have if I had let go of her.
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My friend heads the science dept. at Temple University. She's a very unusual person. Her husband is retired CIA. Cogar, I consider your dog doing it's job. He was protecting his pack from an unknown person, who obviously seemed suspicious.
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When a dog does something like that,, you had better trust their instinct !!
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Did ya'll ever hear this one about ..... "A man's dog is his very bestest friend ever"?
It's true ya know .... and if you don't believe me then ......
Let a man lock his wife up in one closet .... and lock his dog up in anotherr closet .... and then keep them both locked up for 4 hours.
Then let both of them out ..... and see which one is really glad to see him. ;D ;D
Cheers
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LOL !! Right !!
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;D ;D ;D You are so funny. Your wife will attack and the dog would kiss you!
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I decided to make the purchase. These postcards are hard to find and I didn't want to pass it up.
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Nice !!!
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Thank you mart. Had to have it. It needed a home,lol.
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I know the feeling !!
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what needed a home....?..the postcards...or the mutts?....
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Both! ;D