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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: pebs1 on March 05, 2013, 04:44:25 AM
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Hello, I've acquired this hall stand(?) through a property sale, I have no idea if it's even antique. Seems fairly worn, it has 'S&S' stamped on the back. Anyone have any idea as to what it is, value etc?
Thanks
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better pictures would help..and a general location..but from what i see it looks like its late Victorian..and by the colour..its a Mourning Piece...value wise in the UK.on a really good day....£150
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Yes, we need more pics!!
Looks more like an etagere/display cabinet, late 19th century. Hard to tell the wood from the photo, probably mahogany or walnut. The value would be considerably more than $300 U.S......
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Thanks all, I've added some more photo's to original post. If it makes any difference its located in Ireland.
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this is not an Etagere............ .
this is an Etagere
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Sometimes referred to as a parlour cabinet or vitrine
This looks black - has it been painted ?
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looking at these new pics..i would agree with gopher..that it is a display cabinet..which i could see in a large hall, its definitely Victorian.and it is a Mourning Piece....its most likely mahogany underneath the black..Dark furniture in the UK has taken a bit of a bashing..over the past few years...therefore i,d still hold on to my original estimate...
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Mourning furniture,was black..it became fashionable..after Prince Albert died..and Victoria only wore black
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There's no such thing as mourning furniture but i know the period you're referring to.
The pics aren't clear.
The pediment looks odd.
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Yes it is painted. Here is a closer view of the pediment
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this is not an Etagere............ .
this is an Etagere
A sadly limited definition. Check e-bay under "etagere" in antiques.
As I said above, this is an etagere/cabinet combo. The Victorians loved combining functions. It's late 19th century, probably mahogany. Value in the U.S. would FAR exceed $300, more like $1000 or so.
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its always been called mourning furniture as far as i can remember...and the black would have been painted at the factory...
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this is not an Etagere............ .
this is an Etagere
A sadly limited definition. Check e-bay under "etagere" in antiques.
As I said above, this is an etagere/cabinet combo. The Victorians loved combining functions. It's late 19th century, probably mahogany. Value in the U.S. would FAR exceed $300, more like $1000 or so.
etagere,s from ebay....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=etagere&clk_rvr_id=456095414198&adpos=1s5&MT_ID=11&crlp=12331236053_2113181&tt_encode=raw&geo_id=32121&keyword=etagere&crdt=0
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oxford dictionary...
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/etagere
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I come up with a couple of pages of them on e - bay with a nice variety of materials and appearances. Check under antiques.
Since our etagere has open shelves adjacent to the cabinet then I can only say that it meets the definition and thanks for doing my legwork for me!!
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I come up with a couple of pages of them on e - bay with a nice variety of materials and appearances. Check under antiques.
Since our etagere has open shelves adjacent to the cabinet then I can only say that it meets the definition and thanks for doing my legwork for me!!
that,s ok...I,ll just stick it on your bill.... ;)
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I also believe that this was a hall cabinet! Simply elegant and entirely useful.
However, to get off on a tangent....Etagere - http://quezi.com/14180 (http://quezi.com/14180)
The one they are referring to is the original intent of the Étagère! Such as this gorgeous French Étagère'!
(http://athomeantiques.com/antiques/images/fm0031.jpg)
Pretty much the pic that you chose Wullie is a "plain ole' shelf'. Boring and plain (referred to as an etagere as well by many in this day and age for lack of a better word)...However an etagere' was intended for proudly and ELEGANTLY displaying items of value or interest and were deemed more elaborate or gracefully pleasing to the eye (even if in simple shelf style - was made with eye-pleasing turned wood pieces, and/or exotic woods etc.)
Also endearingly called a Whatnot for displaying whatnots! Some did have small drawers but were commonly open display.
(http://antiquehelper.rfcsystems.com/Full/163/53163.jpg)
Po-tat-to, Po-tah-to (differences...all in the eye of the beholder!)
Today they even refer to the shelving that goes around a toilet/lu/throne to be a etagere - Makes me cringe!!!!!
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My points exactly. Well done KC!
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Ditto what KC / Ghopper said !! Everyone used to have a Whatnot !!
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I also believe that this was a hall cabinet! Simply elegant and entirely useful.
However, to get off on a tangent....Etagere - http://quezi.com/14180 (http://quezi.com/14180)
The one they are referring to is the original intent of the Étagère! Such as this gorgeous French Étagère'!
(http://athomeantiques.com/antiques/images/fm0031.jpg)
Pretty much the pic that you chose Wullie is a "plain ole' shelf'. Boring and plain (referred to as an etagere as well by many in this day and age for lack of a better word)...However an etagere' was intended for proudly and ELEGANTLY displaying items of value or interest and were deemed more elaborate or gracefully pleasing to the eye (even if in simple shelf style - was made with eye-pleasing turned wood pieces, and/or exotic woods etc.)
Also endearingly called a Whatnot for displaying whatnots! Some did have small drawers but were commonly open display.
(http://antiquehelper.rfcsystems.com/Full/163/53163.jpg)
Po-tat-to, Po-tah-to (differences...all in the eye of the beholder!)
Today they even refer to the shelving that goes around a toilet/lu/throne to be a etagere - Makes me cringe!!!!!
Never, ever have they been " what-nots ". What-nots are the more basic etageres and usually no more than waist high.
Etageres are more decorative but again generally smaller than what you have illustrated, which are more commonly referred to as a parlour cabinet, vitrine or similar.
And what you've linked to as a French Etagere looks more Edwardian Sheraton to me. Never as popular as you'd think.
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I also believe that this was a hall cabinet! Simply elegant and entirely useful.
However, to get off on a tangent....Etagere - http://quezi.com/14180 (http://quezi.com/14180)
The one they are referring to is the original intent of the Étagère! Such as this gorgeous French Étagère'!
(http://athomeantiques.com/antiques/images/fm0031.jpg)
Pretty much the pic that you chose Wullie is a "plain ole' shelf'. Boring and plain (referred to as an etagere as well by many in this day and age for lack of a better word)...However an etagere' was intended for proudly and ELEGANTLY displaying items of value or interest and were deemed more elaborate or gracefully pleasing to the eye (even if in simple shelf style - was made with eye-pleasing turned wood pieces, and/or exotic woods etc.)
Also endearingly called a Whatnot for displaying whatnots! Some did have small drawers but were commonly open display.
(http://antiquehelper.rfcsystems.com/Full/163/53163.jpg)
Po-tat-to, Po-tah-to (differences...all in the eye of the beholder!)
Today they even refer to the shelving that goes around a toilet/lu/throne to be a etagere - Makes me cringe!!!!!
Never, ever have they been " what-nots ". What-nots are the more basic etageres and usually no more than waist high.
Etageres are more decorative but again generally smaller than what you have illustrated, which are more commonly referred to as a parlour cabinet, vitrine or similar.
And what you've linked to as a French Etagere looks more Edwardian Sheraton to me. Never as popular as you'd think.
Would you care to re-phrase...Never,ever have they been"what-nots" ;D..see link...
A what-not is a piece of furniture derived from the French étagère, which was exceedingly popular in England in the first three-quarters of the 19th century. It usually consists of slender uprights or pillars, supporting a series of shelves for holding china, ornaments, trifles, or what not, hence the allusive name. In its English form, although a convenient piece of drawing room furniture, it was rarely beautiful. The early mahogany examples are, however, sometimes graceful in their simplicity
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(http://www.vthexpress.com/1190-9940-thickbox/london-antique-furniture-beautiful-victorian-solid-mahogany-whatnot-antique-5-tier-corner-unit-bargain.jpg)
" it was rarely beautiful "
Simple because the people who bought them couldn't afford an etagere or remember what one was called..thus " what-not ". Some will say it's a " what-not " because later, people used them for the little trinkets and things, generally small items of little value.
When cataloguing or describing these, anyone who has an ounce of experience will not refer to those in the posts above as " what-nots ".
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well at least we agree on something...this black "hall stand" is not ..Etagere...
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No, we don't agree on that at all.
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Ipcress, I laughed out loud when I read your reply. I had intended to put a note above that is noted in the US - and most notedly in the SOUTHERN us....because I am a SOUTHERNER! And in the South (USA) the gals call this a Whatnot! LOLOL So, obviously you are not in the deep south!
Kinda like the word pecan. Pronounced 'pah-con' it is a nut meat that you eat. Pronounced 'pee-can' it was a container hid under the bed that you used for middle of the night "nature calls". :)
But...just for sparring sake....note the museum reference to etagere and whatnot! :)
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1999.50.2 (http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1999.50.2)
(http://quezi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/etagere-design-american-1850s.jpg)
and the reference under the pics above "Etagere for a cottage, and mirrored etagere for a grand house - 1850s designs (PD-EXP)"
http://quezi.com/14180 (http://quezi.com/14180)
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No, we don't agree on that at all.
who rattled your cage... ;D
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Ipcress, I laughed out loud when I read your reply. I had intended to put a note above that is noted in the US - and most notedly in the SOUTHERN us....because I am a SOUTHERNER! And in the South (USA) the gals call this a Whatnot! LOLOL So, obviously you are not in the deep south!
Kinda like the word pecan. Pronounced 'pah-con' it is a nut meat that you eat. Pronounced 'pee-can' it was a container hid under the bed that you used for middle of the night "nature calls". :)
But...just for sparring sake....note the museum reference to etagere and whatnot! :)
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1999.50.2 (http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1999.50.2)
(http://quezi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/etagere-design-american-1850s.jpg)
and the reference under the pics above "Etagere for a cottage, and mirrored etagere for a grand house - 1850s designs (PD-EXP)"
http://quezi.com/14180 (http://quezi.com/14180)
He is a Southerner...South of England...and as for your pee-can..over here it was more commonly known as a pish-pot..by the commoners..and a chamber pot by the landed gentry...
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Wullie....you are tooooooo much! :) :) :)
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But...just for sparring sake....note the museum reference to etagere and whatnot! :)
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1999.50.2 (http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1999.50.2)
You'll note that i said etageres are more elaborately decorated what-nots ?
I do love Southern food though. Aiming to travel there in the next couple of years
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But...just for sparring sake....note the museum reference to etagere and whatnot! :)
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1999.50.2 (http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1999.50.2)
You'll note that i said etageres are more elaborately decorated what-nots ?
I do love Southern food though. Aiming to travel there in the next couple of years
they tell me you get good seafood on the south coast..only about 3 /4 hours drive from where you are...
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Southern food is W O N D E R F U L!!! Lotsa' flavor. Lotsa' diversity! Southern, Tex-Mex, Cajun, etc.
Wullie, the seafood is A M A Z I N G!!!!
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:D :D :D Wrong South Coast...for you..i was talking about the English south coast....
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cuLnKaQieHM/SwVS4m6CXeI/AAAAAAAABkw/1lD0AS3SdFw/s1600/Huge_smiley_with_tongue_out.gif)
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You want to have that tongue looked at...not to mention the pallor of your skin..and yes i know all about the Amazin seafood..having worked on a pipe-laying barge in the gulf...and having to eat the cooks specials every day....Gumbo....and more Gumbo....swine could,nt cook anything else... ;D
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But...just for sparring sake....note the museum reference to etagere and whatnot! :)
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1999.50.2 (http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1999.50.2)
You'll note that i said etageres are more elaborately decorated what-nots ?
I do love Southern food though. Aiming to travel there in the next couple of years
they tell me you get good seafood on the south coast..only about 3 /4 hours drive from where you are...
Where am i ?
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Somewhere in Engerland....
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So how do you know i'm not on the south coast ?
Something smells fishy ;D