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Title: Pub Chair/Smokers Chair
Post by: EZ123 on March 14, 2013, 11:50:04 AM
I am trying to get this up as a first post and see how I do !

Looking for any info (age,wood,value etc) on a set of pub chairs.

Have makers mark/stamp on back of seat H.S, I looked for a database but didnt find one.

Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: ghopper1924 on March 14, 2013, 11:54:48 AM
It's Deja vu all over again!

Need more pictures and a description of the mark you found.
Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: EZ123 on March 14, 2013, 12:04:15 PM
Will do in a bit now that I know how to size and post...The mark is obvious of course but in regard to the other photos what would be of use ?
Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: KC on March 14, 2013, 12:06:37 PM
Need pics of underside and closeups of construction!  Otherwise we can only agree it is a chair!

It helps in determining age, craftsmanship, the answer to your questions.....
Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: mart on March 14, 2013, 12:30:21 PM
Also would help to know your location and how these chairs came to be yours !!
Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: bigwull on March 14, 2013, 01:00:25 PM
It's Deja vu all over again!

Need more pictures and a description of the mark you found.
just as well for you...i thought i was losing my marbles....saw your dena bu....then..it was correct.... ;D
Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: ghopper1924 on March 14, 2013, 01:43:06 PM
Stupid autocorrect!!!!

It was right, then it wasn't,then I had to fix it, now it's right... ???
Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: bigwull on March 14, 2013, 03:03:17 PM
Also would help to know your location and how these chairs came to be yours !!
maybe they fell off the back of a slow moving lorry... ;D
Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: frogpatch on March 14, 2013, 05:28:41 PM
Low back Windsor chair or smokers bow. I can't tell the age but they were factory made and used in hotels, restaurants and lodges in the 19th century. The seat construction is not clear but I think I see a place where two boards join. The simplicity makes me think they were machine made for commercial use in the later part of the century. Do not hold me to that as I really need to see the pictures requested.
Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: bigwull on March 14, 2013, 06:30:01 PM
its not  a low back Windsor...it is in fact a Smokers Chair....see my link.....

.http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=smokers+chair&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=EWtCUdGWMaew0QWFjoGQBA&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=624..
Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: greenacres on March 14, 2013, 07:37:44 PM
ghopper I've had that issue! ;D ;D That darn spell check!
Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: mart on March 14, 2013, 07:54:43 PM
They are essentially the same chair !! No matter what its called in a given area !!  These were reproduced in great numbers during the 60`s !!  Grandmother had a set,, mother had a similar set !!  Same chair just minor changes in turnings !!  This one may be older but can`t tell til we see additional pics !!  Appears to have had dowel holes in top of arms that do not line up with supports !!
Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: EZ123 on March 14, 2013, 09:50:20 PM
Sorry it took me a bit to get these and get back. I was in a rush and didnt post in the Intro section but the brief rundown is that these and the other items I need to ID are my parents and it has fallen to me to thin things out since they are downsizing.

I do not know exactly where they came from, probably a local dealer in the 70s,possibly an auction. They were used as regular chairs at the house. They are HEAVY suckers and not suited for future use.

I live right outside Washington DC.

I will post all the new pics following, this one is the front.


Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: EZ123 on March 14, 2013, 09:53:50 PM
back

Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: EZ123 on March 14, 2013, 09:54:49 PM
back detail
Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: EZ123 on March 14, 2013, 09:55:40 PM
side detail
Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: EZ123 on March 14, 2013, 09:56:25 PM
underside
Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: EZ123 on March 14, 2013, 09:57:54 PM
bottom detail-press fit joints and nuts on end of metal supporting rod
Title: Re: Pub Chair
Post by: EZ123 on March 14, 2013, 10:05:13 PM
Last but not least the makers mark which is an upside down H.S. on the back of the seat...sorry it is a bit fuzzy...

Even without the pics just the name smokers chair brought up alot more relevent pics and info...

So before I get more info I am going to guess and put it here for posterity (or posteriority if I am wrong:) ).

I think they are like 1890-1910,manufactered but perhaps hand asembled, English...Not sure on wood, my father was good at that but not me...
Title: Re: Pub Chair/Smokers Chair
Post by: bigwull on March 15, 2013, 02:22:36 AM
Wood is most likely Oak,..from the design and coupled with the metal support...I,d say late 1800,s..its definitely a smokers chair see my link..on my last post...Windsor chairs were similar...but,i,d bet my boots on this being a smokers, over here in UK,especially in parts of England...single chairs such as this do extremely well...and having looked at it in detail...it has a charm about it....that had i found it...it would not find its way into my hungry woodburner...but would enjoy supporting my rather large arse..... ;D...
Title: Re: Pub Chair/Smokers Chair
Post by: ghopper1924 on March 15, 2013, 05:14:35 AM
Oak is right. I'd find some way to hold on to this.
Title: Re: Pub Chair/Smokers Chair
Post by: cogar on March 15, 2013, 06:50:25 AM
It doesn't look like oak to me.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Pub Chair/Smokers Chair
Post by: bigwull on March 15, 2013, 07:20:33 AM
It doesn't look like oak to me.  ::) ::)
did you get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning...we say oak you say no...if i say black..no doubt you,ll say white....so until you come up with something better...its oak... :P
Title: Re: Pub Chair/Smokers Chair
Post by: mart on March 15, 2013, 08:53:56 AM
From what I can see it appears to be oak !! Late 1800`s to 1910 !!  Nice chair and well worth keeping (as-is btw) !!
Call it what ever you wish !!
Title: Re: Pub Chair/Smokers Chair
Post by: ghopper1924 on March 15, 2013, 09:09:07 AM
"Call it whatever you wish"

Don't mind if I do! I think I'll call it.........




OAK!!! ;D ;D >:(
Title: Re: Pub Chair/Smokers Chair
Post by: bigwull on March 15, 2013, 09:41:41 AM
From what I can see it appears to be oak !! Late 1800`s to 1910 !!  Nice chair and well worth keeping (as-is btw) !!
Call it what ever you wish !!
Its part of  a dead Oak Tree.... ;D
Title: Re: Pub Chair/Smokers Chair
Post by: cogar on March 15, 2013, 10:00:08 AM
Anyone care to guess what type of wood this is, to wit:

(http://wood-veneer.com/images/TDChestnut.jpg)


Or this one, to wit:

(http://www.countyfloors.net/store/listing_image.php?productid=17369)

They are both the same species and here is the link to the 2nd picture:

http://www.countyfloors.net/store/product.php?productid=17369 (http://www.countyfloors.net/store/product.php?productid=17369)


Title: Re: Pub Chair/Smokers Chair
Post by: mart on March 15, 2013, 10:34:57 AM
Looks like birch !!
Title: Re: Pub Chair/Smokers Chair
Post by: mart on March 15, 2013, 10:40:47 AM
Mmmm,,, didn`t use a lot of that in the south !!  Should have figured something since the grain is feathered !!
Title: Re: Pub Chair/Smokers Chair
Post by: bigwull on March 15, 2013, 10:56:23 AM
Looks like birch !!
Na...this was a Birch....

A birch rod (often shortened to "birch") is a bundle of leafless twigs bound together to form an implement for administering corporal punishment.

Contrary to what the name suggests, a birch rod is not a single rod and is not necessarily made from birch twigs, but can also be made from various other strong and smooth branches of trees or shrubs, such as willow.[1] A hazel rod is particularly painful; a bundle of four or five hazel twigs was used in the 1960s and 1970s on the Isle of Man, the last jurisdiction in Europe to use birching as a judicial penalty
Title: Re: Pub Chair/Smokers Chair
Post by: KC on March 15, 2013, 12:28:15 PM
I think it is....WOOD!!!!!!  At least we all agree that it is wood...not a composite. 

Wow, our discussions are getting crazy here lately!  :)  Spring fever??????

My two cents....late 1800's.  NICE PIECE.  Although heavy...that is a good thing...they don't make them that way anymore.  IT WILL LAST LONGER THAN YOU!!!!  This is one that can prop a door open with no problem!!!