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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: Sherlockian on March 18, 2013, 04:16:32 PM
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All found years ago in a pit by my husband on his parent's farm. He thinks they might have come from Mawdesley Hall.
The little teapot is marked on the bottom Japan R.K. & Co Wedgwood Place Burslem and we discovered that this might be Robert Kelsall & Co but we can't find any information about them at all.
The first milk jug is unmarked as is the Japanese style gravy boat which has a little design inside the boat.
We have more pictures in part II
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Can you make the pics larger ?? Thumbnails are hard to see since they don`t enlarge at that size !! Try 1000kb when you resize !! Not sure what you are using for pics ?? Computer or phone ??
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It was taking ages to upload so I had to resize to thumbnail, let's hope this works.
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That size is perfect !! Now we need to see the marks on bottom !! Many times you can date by the mark because mfrs. may have used several over the years !!
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Really need to see pics of the marks please!
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Ok so first is the bottom of the black/brown Japanese style teapot
Second is the mark on the bottom of the gravy boat
Third is marking on the pewter lid teapot
Those are the only objects with markings on the bottom.
He has loads more objects dug up so I might as well include a few more in this post and the next one. There are loads of bottles he has too.
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A few more....
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Don't forget to check out my other photos here http://www.antique-shop.com/forums/index.php?topic=13343.0
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Nice ginger beer bottle for William Hodgson, Preston. BBR sold one and they're the top people in the UK for such items.
More history on him here
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NB8NAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA182&lpg=PA182&dq=%22+william+hodgson+%22+brewery+sold&source=bl&ots=EkZp6JPS0h&sig=8Vo2mp_WgO3EOlpbH3xx9dXCdIY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kmBIUfeCMuOm0AX6kYHwDw&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22%20william%20hodgson%20%22%20brewery%20sold&f=false (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NB8NAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA182&lpg=PA182&dq=%22+william+hodgson+%22+brewery+sold&source=bl&ots=EkZp6JPS0h&sig=8Vo2mp_WgO3EOlpbH3xx9dXCdIY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kmBIUfeCMuOm0AX6kYHwDw&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22%20william%20hodgson%20%22%20brewery%20sold&f=false)
and here is a blog which lists some of the pubs in the area where he was landlord
http://pubsinpreston.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/guild-inn-ribbleton-lane.html (http://pubsinpreston.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/guild-inn-ribbleton-lane.html)
Enter William Hodgson in to the search on the right and there are about four pages of links,
Quite a nice bottle. Probably worth three figures.
Pity about the Liverpool flagon
Incidentally, the house that's named on it is currently up for sale !
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-16220695.html
Looking at it's location, could easily have been a micro brewery / pub back in the day.
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I think you are going to have to divide them into different threads !! All are not showing !! Or remove the thumbnails !! This site has a limit I think !!
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They are all there mart you just have to scroll sideways. The site does have a limit which is a bit of a pain and I know the images are all over the place. I should have started the one thread and posted several times.
Never mind, you live and learn!
Interesting info coming up on these.
I will have to speak to my husband but I think we might be interested in selling them as ideally they need to go to someone who can appreciate them, although I understand my husband is quite fond of them as he dug them up on his parent's farm here in the UK so they are kind of linked to his history and the history of the area where he grew up.
It's nice having a story to go with the items and to know where they are from.
I love the Valentine's bottle personally as that's my maiden name so I wonder if I could be related to them????
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Teapot with the pewter lid is Robinson, Kirkham & Co, although it appears as though the spout has been damaged.
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That is interesting, I shall have to do some research on them.
Yes most of the pieces have some damage to them but we're not too bothered as we both think they are great anyway and provide a lovely talking point.
Knowing the history of each piece makes them even more valuable to us.
We're back at his parents this weekend and might see what else we can find.
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just get yourself up into their loft...you,d be amazed at what parents keep stashed away...i can remember clearing out my grans loft, in 1982...we came across whole cases of bully beef,tinned peaches,strawberry jam,all date stamped 1945...and i,m still here to tell the tale.....mind you after i,d made a pig of myself scoffing a few tins of peaches,...I was able to crap through the eye of a needle,..from a great height...turned out the syrup contained Sorbitol...and we all know what that is....but i did,nt then.... ;D ;D
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Sloppy desserts eh? Lovely!
These jars and pots were dug up from a pit on the farm and there may well be more buried beneath the soil.
There is a box of bottles that were also dug up and we'll try and locate that.
Might send my son down the pit with a spade - that's what kids are there for after all!
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just get yourself up into their loft...you,d be amazed at what parents keep stashed away...i can remember clearing out my grans loft, in 1982...we came across whole cases of bully beef,tinned peaches,strawberry jam,all date stamped 1945...and i,m still here to tell the tale.....mind you after i,d made a pig of myself scoffing a few tins of peaches,...I was able to crap through the eye of a needle,..from a great height...turned out the syrup contained Sorbitol...and we all know what that is....but i did,nt then.... ;D ;D
::) ::) ;D ;D
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The white Saltglaze stoneware jug could be worth some $$$. The crocks with the writing you could get good money for too. The bottle I'm still checking.
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http://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/m-26345/mpage-1/key-/tm.htm#26427
This may help you.
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That is interesting, I shall have to do some research on them.
Yes most of the pieces have some damage to them but we're not too bothered as we both think they are great anyway and provide a lovely talking point.
Knowing the history of each piece makes them even more valuable to us.
We're back at his parents this weekend and might see what else we can find.
Any connection to Lancashire ?
Post images of what you find. I'll adopt a Carry On tone and say that " I love a good old rummage "
If you do decide to sell the bottle then call BBR first but Ebay might be better. Some good images and a lengthy description about the history of the item should see it make a few hundred
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Full connections to Lancashire. That's where they were all dug up. They probably came from Mawdesley Hall in Lancashire, UK and most of them were thrown into the pit because they were damaged in some way. We have very few pieces that don't have a chip or a crack in them although most of the bottles are in one piece.
My husband remembers digging up loads of gin and spirit bottles (they must have been raving alcoholics!) and these are all in a box somewhere on his parent's farm so we'll be looking for that when we are up there this weekend.
Meanwhile we are going to do a little more cleaning of the pots and some of the not so valuable ones can take pride of place on our bookshelves (amongst my collection of old and rare Sherlock Holmes stories and Conan Doyle novels) whilst the others will be packed away safely until the kids have grown up.
My husband reckons that when we are old and poor, which we will be by the time the UK bleeds us dry with its right wing, rich-loving, bank-hugging policies, we can then put them up for auction and retire with the proceeds to the South of France. I think he's over-estimating their prices a little but a man can dream right?
Should we find the bottles I'll post the pics up. Will check out the bottle site too and try and persuade hubby to sell some if they are worth a bit as we could do with a couple of hundred to spend on the house (or have a weekend away sans enfants).
You are right, knowing the history does add to the value and it's just really interesting learning about these items.
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Full connections to Lancashire. That's where they were all dug up. They probably came from Mawdesley Hall in Lancashire, UK and most of them were thrown into the pit because they were damaged in some way. We have very few pieces that don't have a chip or a crack in them although most of the bottles are in one piece.
My husband remembers digging up loads of gin and spirit bottles (they must have been raving alcoholics!) and these are all in a box somewhere on his parent's farm so we'll be looking for that when we are up there this weekend.
Meanwhile we are going to do a little more cleaning of the pots and some of the not so valuable ones can take pride of place on our bookshelves (amongst my collection of old and rare Sherlock Holmes stories and Conan Doyle novels) whilst the others will be packed away safely until the kids have grown up.
My husband reckons that when we are old and poor, which we will be by the time the UK bleeds us dry with its right wing, rich-loving, bank-hugging policies, we can then put them up for auction and retire with the proceeds to the South of France. I think he's over-estimating their prices a little but a man can dream right?
Should we find the bottles I'll post the pics up. Will check out the bottle site too and try and persuade hubby to sell some if they are worth a bit as we could do with a couple of hundred to spend on the house (or have a weekend away sans enfants).
You are right, knowing the history does add to the value and it's just really interesting learning about these items.
re Sherlock Holmes - don't suppose you have the 1887 Beetons do you ?! ;D
I have a love for Holmes / Conan Doyle. Copies of McClures and The Strand from 1893 with The Final Problem are little treasures. Also some of his short stories pre Holmes. Was fascinated to read about some receipts being found which showed how much he was paid for certain stories.
There was an episode of Flog It recently where someone brought in a book comprising of autographs cut from letters sent by various people thanking a hotel for it's hospitality, the prize being a full handwritten letter from Conan Doyle. They valued it at £100-150 and it just made the bottom end.
Must have been in the wrong auction house as that's just criminal.
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Bloody hell, I've have bought it for that!
I've got a 1901 Strand Magazine volume that includes the first half of The Hound of the Baskervilles as well as a HG Wells Man on the Moon
story. An 1891 re-bound volume with 5 Adventures of Sherlock Holmes stories in. Various other Strand volumes. First edition Boer War with maps. 2nd ed Memories and Adventures, his autobiography with index. I've also got loads of other stories such as The Professor Challenger stories, Rodney Stone, etc plus a few collections of Holmes stories and novels, mostly 1950s but some earlier. I also have the Holmes stories in various foreign languages too, just for fun.
Prices have shot up now because of the renewed interest in Sherlock Holmes so they are becoming hard to find. I want the other Strand volume that has the second half of the Baskerville story. I saw it for sale just recently and it was around £500, so out of my price range sadly! To think that I picked these Strand volumes up for around £15-£20.
His old house is up for sale you know....
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Bloody hell, I've have bought it for that!
I've got a 1901 Strand Magazine volume that includes the first half of The Hound of the Baskervilles as well as a HG Wells Man on the Moon
story. An 1891 re-bound volume with 5 Adventures of Sherlock Holmes stories in. Various other Strand volumes. First edition Boer War with maps. 2nd ed Memories and Adventures, his autobiography with index. I've also got loads of other stories such as The Professor Challenger stories, Rodney Stone, etc plus a few collections of Holmes stories and novels, mostly 1950s but some earlier. I also have the Holmes stories in various foreign languages too, just for fun.
Prices have shot up now because of the renewed interest in Sherlock Holmes so they are becoming hard to find. I want the other Strand volume that has the second half of the Baskerville story. I saw it for sale just recently and it was around £500, so out of my price range sadly! To think that I picked these Strand volumes up for around £15-£20.
His old house is up for sale you know....
I've worked on Flog It, Bargain Hunt, Dickinson's Real Deal and often the main problem is that the items arrive at the auction house after the main catalogue has gone to press / been uploaded to the internet and only a few days before the auction, leaving little time for publicity.
Many of the auction houses they visit are just general sales. Some are obviously larger auction houses with well attended sales both in the room and online.
For the Antiques Road Trip the items came in the day before the auction.
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Well that's a good tip for bargain hunters - find out where they are filming these episodes and roll up on the day to snaffle up the bargains!
Hey, if you come across any more Conan Doyle items give me a shout ;D
I got obsessed with him and I've got a bill addressed to Holmes that I received from the Baker Street Museum, some Russian dolls in the style of Holmes characters, SH Lego mini-figure, badges, signed pastiche books, his business card with his signature (obv not real!), etc.
I'll have to go through my book collection one day and note down everything I have with dates and the condition, just out of interest to see what their value is. I reckon the two Strands I mentioned, the one with the Baskerville story and the one with the first 5 Holmes stories are the most valuable but I could be wrong.
Now if I had a Beeton's I'd be laughing my way out of this recession! Not that I'd part with it, that's the problem isn't it? They might be worth thousands but would you let them out of your possession?
I have an evil streak and I might specify in my will that all my most valuable books are buried with me - just to piss everyone off! ;D