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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: tenroh on March 20, 2013, 12:25:52 AM
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I picked this table up - mainly because Ive never come across one so large.
It is a double dropleaf - with 7 leaves - 14 ft long.
Not sure the leaves are original - but they all do fit.
Can not find any date or name - but on the mech slider inside has an 1883 patent date.
Casters look original. Any info would be appreciated.
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Not sure the leaves are original - but they all do fit.
It is not uncommon to find old tables with the patina/color of its leaves not quite matching the other parts of the tabletop surface.
This is usually the result of the leaves being stored in "dark" places for many years and only see the "light of day" on special occasions, maybe once per year .... if that often.
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Looks like a walnut dining table ca. late 19th century. Value is maybe $200-$400.
Cogar's right about the light - or lack of it - contritubuting to uneven changes in the patina. Also, leaves were sometimes not finished to the same standard as the table itself because not only were they were seldom used, but also because it was understood that they would be covered with a table cloth.
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Style and construction puts this table in the 1940`s !! Usually came with two leaves but additional leaves could be purchased for larger families !! Not unusual to find varying colors in leaves since some were bought separately !!
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I would beg to differ as to this table being walnut...look at the last 2 pics in the 2nd post...there is a mixture of woods, ..and pine being the prominent one, the legs look to be of a different pine to that of the other pine,and that trans member through which the centre leg goes..looks more like a mahogany...
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Pine !! Pretty common for that era !!
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At least one of those photos featuring the legs looks like hardwood; I'll stick with walnut though hardwood will do. I'll agree that the leaves look like pine.
I can't help but think that an 1880s hardware patent date would have been superceeded by the time a 1940s table was constructed. This is a conservative table form that was produced for many many decades. A pre 1940s date isn't unreasonable.
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Didn`t say it was unreasonable !! Only gave an opinion as we all do !! Although anything is a possibility !!
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Look at 1st pic on 2nd post...the legs look like pine,but a different pine from the leaves, and i,m now of the opinion that this table is a Bitsa,...as with it being constructed of different woods, which act differently in todays modern houses,..this has been messed about with,..i,d even go as far to say,that these legs were not on this table when it was made...they,ve been added much later....
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Didn`t say it was unreasonable !! Only gave an opinion as we all do !! Although anything is a possibility !!
True that!! :D
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Don`t think so Wullie !! All secondary woods were usually what was available and cheapest at the time !! They also used pieces that were unsuitable for the tops or legs of other table styles !! So whats underneath,,since it wasn`t to be seen,,could be anything !! Mahogany and walnut were common woods to find used like that because there was an abundance of furniture made in those woods !! Had very little waste back then !!
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These legs are did,nt start out with this table....furthermor e, that centre leg,should,nt go through that trans member,..it defeats the purpose of it being there, that leg is for support,...so why have it go through what its supposed to be holding up....this table has been butchered at some point....if it has,nt ..then i,ll eat ghopper,s shorts.... ;D...as long as he,s not in them.....at the time... ;D
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Then i,ll eat ghopper,s shorts.... ;D...as long as he,s not in them.....at the time... ;D
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Thanks for qualifying that! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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That crossmember looks like solid mahogany !! Going to take a lot more than a few dishes to break or bend that !! And figure 3 shows that it extends through the crossmember to the table top !! So center stress would be on the leg not the crossmember !!
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That crossmember looks like solid mahogany !! Going to take a lot more than a few dishes to break or bend that !! And figure 3 shows that it extends through the crossmember to the table top !! So center stress would be on the leg not the crossmember !!
Thats my argument,it serves no purpose to extend through the crossmember...if anything it weakens the cross member,...and as for taking a lot more dishes...thats not why that centre leg is there,that centre leg is to give strength to the frame...not to hold up the dishes,....and as for stress on the leg...there is no stress on it..the stress will be on whatever method of fixing has been used to attach the leg to the crossmember.....it just looks wrong....
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I think someone's been in the workshop and made themselves a table out of parts.
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i few more pics - to keep the debate going - although Im leaning towards its 2 different tables at this point the mech and leaves belong to one table and the table itself is another
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Yeah, those legs have surely been added on.
It's been restored.
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Mart...are you getting this.... ;D
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After looking at all the pictures I've decided that table is all original.
It is the way it was made.
Like Mart said, the old timers didn't throw the scrap pieces into the woodburning stove ....... before they were used to make the furniture. ;D ;D ;D
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After looking at all the pictures I've decided that table is all original.
It is the way it was made.
Like Mart said, the old timers didn't throw the scrap pieces into the woodburning stove ....... before they were used to make the furniture. ;D ;D ;D
yeah...you can pull the other one its got bells on it...even the owner thinks its a bitsa....and if you could just take off yer rose tinted specs and see it for what it really is....you might learn from it.... ;D ;D..as for fuel for my woodburner...well, this "original"table would be right in it...and any other junk pieces that seem to find their way on to here, Burn them all, ..make way for something half decent...."its a bit like when I hit a pheasant on the road,..what I,ve done is help stop the stupid genes getting passed on...well its the same with "this Cogar backed original table"..its made of scrap wood...your words not mine... ;D...
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...even the owner thinks its a bitsa....
The owner didn't have a clue, ...... but you all have since convinced him of that being a possibility.
Now Bigwull, after seeing the 2nd photo in Reply #18 ….. are you not willing to retract what you stated in the following, to wit:
(exerted from Bigwull’s Reply #13) ..... furthermor e, that centre leg,should,nt go through that trans member,..it defeats the purpose of it being there, that leg is for support,...so why have it go through what its supposed to be holding up....this table has been butchered at some point....if it has,nt ..then i,ll eat ghopper,s shorts
Bigwull, that center leg would have been the 1st thing to "break loose" and fall in the floor if not for it being stabilized by its mortising thru the "trans member" board.
Now the table top, the skirt and the legs may have been "stripped" at sometime in the past ..... or ...... the top and the base may be from 2 different tables, ....... but I don't see any "signs" of the base being rebuilt "to fit".
Cheers
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...even the owner thinks its a bitsa....
The owner didn't have a clue, ...... but you all have since convinced him of that being a possibility.
Now Bigwull, after seeing the 2nd photo in Reply #18 ….. are you not willing to retract what you stated in the following, to wit:
(exerted from Bigwull’s Reply #13) ..... furthermor e, that centre leg,should,nt go through that trans member,..it defeats the purpose of it being there, that leg is for support,...so why have it go through what its supposed to be holding up....this table has been butchered at some point....if it has,nt ..then i,ll eat ghopper,s shorts
Bigwull, that center leg would have been the 1st thing to "break loose" and fall in the floor if not for it being stabilized by its mortising thru the "trans member" board.
Now the table top, the skirt and the legs may have been "stripped" at sometime in the past ..... or ...... the top and the base may be from 2 different tables, ....... but I don't see any "signs" of the base being rebuilt "to fit".
Cheers
..Let me get this straight..1st .you stated that this table was "original"..then you said it could have been made from "scrap "pieces of wood,...now you are saying that it could be 2 different tables...Which brings us back to my thinking...,..this table has been made from parts of 2 or more tables...... ;D ;D
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Now Bigwull your knowledge and experience in/of "cabinetmaking" appears to be quite limited because the use of a "scrap" piece of wood left over from a previous project does not negate the "original construction" of a new project.
I will assume you were drinking "that signature Malt" when you were composing your previous post. ;) ;) ;)
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Cogar..you might be amazed at what level of knowledge i have when it comes to all things wooden....but i,m not very good when it comes to gobbledygook.... ;D
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Its correct as it is !! !! Many with a lighter finish just darken from use especially pine !! If all of the leaves are exactly the same tone and close in color,, its possibly refinished unless they had a really large family and used all of them at once !! And,, farm families not only fed their children but also their help so a table this size is not uncommon at all !! Looked up several yesterday on Canadian Kijiji !! Only in recent years have dining sets became smaller !! Since the birth control pill the American family is about a third as large as it used to be !! 40`s and 50`s 4 to 6 children was average !! Now its 1 1/2 !!!
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If they had had TV,s in the 40,s...then the population would have been a lot less...me and Avril have 6 between us.one for her and five for me...and there were times when i wished i,d been able to afford a TV...i could have saved myself a fortune.... ;D