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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: owzitgarn on March 29, 2013, 11:05:05 AM
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Hi All!
I'm very new to all of this so sorry if i come across a bit naive.
We've recently cleared out a house, and from looking around on the web we believe we may have a fenton carnival glass bowl.
The inside pattern appears to match the inside of google images for fenton bowls, but the shape of the bowl and the underside do not.
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What do people think? Is it worth anything?
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Also, this seems to have the same sort of shiny, rainbowy surface, although it didn't come out as well on the photo, is this carnival glass?
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What makes you think they are Fenton and not the original older pieces? Northwood produced the same grape pattern with basketweave in amethyst. Is there any trace of a mark on the bottom like a small circle with an N? Fenton was mostly produced in the latter hale of the century. Early carnival was produced in the first quarter of the century. Was there other old items in the house? It is really hard to tell form the pictures. Wear is not always present on old pieces. I had a water set that looked like it was made yesterday and was signed Northwood. I can't enlarge your picture because it is a share and sak me to download it which I won't do for security reasons.
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I agree with frogpatch..
Northwood used a basketweave pattern on the outside of some of their "Grape and Cable" pieces. What is the size of yours?
Your second piece is a marigold "Double Stem Rose" bowl by Dugan.
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Thanks for the replies!
Like I said, I honestly don't know much about this. It was just through google image searches and ebay that I found fenton used the pattern.
Unfortunately there are no markings on the base. It is a basket weave. There is a seam on the underside that runs all the way from the edge to where the base is formed.
How were these things made? Were they painted? On the black part of the base you can see where some of the black has faded or been rubbed off and it looks silvery...although still iridescent?
There were a few other old glass items in the house:
a glass jar and glass vase that my Grandma tells me could perhaps be "cranberry glass"?
a glass set comprising of a tray, 2 bowls, 2 candlesticks, a larger bowl, and something that looks like a small shallow bowl with a "tower" in the middle. These are all tinted blue.
There is a rose bowl, with a gold coloured lid (possibly gold plated?)
2 large decanters with crystal cut stoppers
and another glass set comprising of a tray, 2 candlesticks and a bowl, these are clear glass
If any of those seem worth posting let me know and I'll try and get a few pictures up.
Thanks very much for the ID on the second item as well Rauville, much appreciated ;D
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I forgot to say, it's 9" diameter
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If the color looks like it has rubbed off ,, it may be one of the look alike pieces made in the 60`s and 70`s !! Can you take a pic of that area and post it ?? It first hit me as a later repro because the color is not quite right for Northwood or Fenton !!
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Thanks Mart,
I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a look alike.
Pic is below:
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I am not seeing any place that looks rubbed off !! Normally that would have happened on the higher points and I don`t see it !!
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And we all know why that is..... ;D
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Do you see it Wullie ??? These specs are pretty good when I am not running in 40 different directions !! At least almost through with garden now !! Two rows of potatoes, one red, one white, 10 bunches onions, 68 tomato plants, ( cut down from last year) 42 pepper plants (not finished with those), 36 cabbage, 6 rows each (big garden) sweet corn and purple hull peas, 1 row okra And a lot of misc, stuff !! And you wonder why I couldn`t see ???
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Do you see it Wullie ??? These specs are pretty good when I am not running in 40 different directions !! At least almost through with garden now !! Two rows of potatoes, one red, one white, 10 bunches onions, 68 tomato plants, ( cut down from last year) 42 pepper plants (not finished with those), 36 cabbage, 6 rows each (big garden) sweet corn and purple hull peas, 1 row okra And a lot of misc, stuff !! And you wonder why I couldn`t see ???
and what do you do with your "lady fingers"...thats the first time i,ve heard them being grown...I use them a lot when i,m making Indian curries..."not Plains Indians.... ;D.
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If you mean the peppers,, Bells, I cook with,, jalapeno,into picante sauce ect,, cayenne,, I eat !!
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If you mean the peppers,, Bells, I cook with,, jalapeno,into picante sauce ect,, cayenne,, I eat !!
Noooooooooooo!! Not..the peppers....Lady Fingers.= Okra....also known ...as dead mans fingers in some parts of the UK....
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it's right on the rim of the raised black part.
where the rest of it is black, there is a small part that looks more " silvery" as if the black has rubbed off... it's at about 8 o'clock if you think of the black part as a clockface
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Oh !! That is called the foot of the bowl and looks like a glazing fault rather than a worn spot !!
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That is a "blemish" in the glass.
And here is a Northwood original at this link ...
http://www.etsy.com/listing/122901013/northwood-carnival-glass-bowl-purple (http://www.etsy.com/listing/122901013/northwood-carnival-glass-bowl-purple)
Wth 5 pictures of it.
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There are considerable differences in the pattern of the two bowls !! Do you know Cogar if they changed the mold at any time ?? The one on etsy has the vining different and the grapes on the one here are more erratic ect !!
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There are considerable differences in the pattern of the two bowls !! Do you know Cogar if they changed the mold at any time ?? The one on etsy has the vining different and the grapes on the one here are more erratic ect !!
You can compare their variations here: www.ddoty.com/grapecablebowls (http://www.ddoty.com/grapecablebowls)
(As far as that "spot" in the photo... I'm sure that's some of the liquid metallic salts which are sprayed onto the surface while hot, giving the iridescent lustre that makes it Carnival, that dripped down on the foot. ???)
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So at current prices this bowl would be worth between $60. and $150. depending on if its called purple or blue ??
$60. to $100. if purple and $125. to $150. if blue ?? Its hard to tell true color on a computer !!
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Wow, thanks for the help everyone!
Its hard to tell what colour it is even not on photos, its like a turquoisey blue mixed with purple....almost like when you see diesel on the road.
If any kind of light gets underneath the basket- weave shows through, and if you hold it up to strong light the whole bowl glows orange.
The basket- weave itself is a mix of bronze and purple, highlighted in with the turquoise.
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Don`t think about selling it till others take a look !! That Marigold bowl is (I think) a pretty pricy one !! It is one of the rare colors !! Post a couple of the other items if you want,, we can take a look !! You might be surprised at some of those things !! They can be small treasures !! Just do one or two per thread so we can keep them straight and research properly !!
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Thanks Mart
I've got a few photos of the other glass pieces I mentioned.
None of them are marked so any help with them would be fantastic
I`ll post the blue tinted ones in another thread as they seemed the most unusual
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Excellent !! Wendy and some of the others are great on glassware !!
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There are considerable differences in the pattern of the two bowls !! Do you know Cogar if they changed the mold at any time ??
It was that "considerable differences" and absece of a "mark" that makes me dubious of it being a Northwood pattern.
Old glass molds are often modified but seldom thrown away. Thus, when it comes to Carnival Glass, ..... it might be a per say Northwood piece or it might be a Northwood pattern made by whoever owns the mold. And no "mark" and differences in the pattern suggests it might be a faked "repo".
Mart, the best way for me to answer your question is to point you to this site:
http://www.ddoty.com/makermarks.html (http://www.ddoty.com/makermarks.html)
And read the 1st one titled ... Northwood .... and then skip on down and read the two (2) titled ..... L.G. Wright "N" Mark ...... and ..... L.G. Wright Modified "N" Mark
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Thats an excellent site !! But I looked at the contemporary and fake listings and it doesn`t mention a bowl but I am sure they were made !! This possibly is Northwood unmarked !! It would be nice to see another with the same pattern to be sure !!
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You all don't need me!! This is I would say Northwood old school but unmarked! I have the exact pattern in one of my books but the edge is ruffled. Northwood made several variations to the grape & cable pattern and over 40 shapes. As far as color To tell the true color of a piece of carnival glass hold the piece up to strong light; The base color you see is the color of the piece, The colors given off by the iridescence have little or nothing to do with the true color of the glass. Cogar is right on with the spot on the bottom liquid metallic salts which are sprayed onto the surface that dripped down on the foot or pooled when placed on stand.
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Oh yes we do !! Go look at that blue set !!
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That blue set is gonna take a lot of research and time :)
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Thanks Wendy!
When it's held up to strong light all the colours disappear and the whole bowls glows orange/marigold