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Title: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: greyhoundbuddy on April 14, 2013, 02:05:00 PM
I bought this Greyhound sculpture 12 years ago and have never been able to find out anything about it. It appears to made of all brass and measures about
10 1/2" tall
11 1/2" Long counting the legs
4 1/2"  wide at the base
weighs  6.5 lbs

Anyone ever seen one before? there are no markings of any kind on it inside or out. Seems to be made from about 8 pieces going by what I can see inside.

Any information someone might give me about it or point me in the right direction to find out more would be appreciated.  Thank You.

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff161/greyhoundbuddy/brass/brass-1.jpg:original)

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff161/greyhoundbuddy/brass/brass-2.jpg:original)

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff161/greyhoundbuddy/brass/brass-3.jpg:original)

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff161/greyhoundbuddy/brass/brass-4.jpg:original)
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: bigwull on April 14, 2013, 02:17:48 PM
Looks like Shed work...it may appeal to lovers of greyhounds...we have something similar here,its a cat..we use it as a door stop...i don,t see an awful lot of value in it...
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: KC on April 14, 2013, 07:49:29 PM
Not sure if it is a greyhound.

You might want to look at pics of Borzoi or Russian Wolf Hounds!  They have been used in bronze work and brass pieces for centuries - because they are considered to be a very elegant animal that is an avid hunter!

Just google Borzoi Bronze pics.....

Even tho the typical pic of the actual animal has longer hair...you will find pieces with short hair and sleek!!!
I know this because I have a large brass piece that took me a while to figure out what it was.

Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: fancypants on April 14, 2013, 08:35:20 PM
No solid clues , as to your items' maker , I'd suggest that the canine depicted is a 'Doberman' , ghb ...
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: Buddie11 on April 14, 2013, 08:56:42 PM
Doberman was my first thought,the only breed that I am intimidated by. Terrifying dogs!!
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: ghopper1924 on April 14, 2013, 10:11:56 PM
Looks like a Doberman. Not old.
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: sapphire on April 15, 2013, 07:47:45 AM
Definitely dobe.

Buddy11......the only terrifying animal in terms of a dobe (or any dog) is the two legged one at the other end of the leash. We took in a 9 yr old rescue who was in horrific shape physically (less than 40 lbs) and emotionally and integrated her into our family of 4 very young children. She turned into our nannie dog. ;)
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: KC on April 16, 2013, 12:33:32 PM
I don't agree with Doberman....just because when doberman's are usually depicted they are cast with the ears up.

Could be a whippet, borzoi, wolf hound, etc.
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: bigwull on April 16, 2013, 01:12:26 PM
Here,s what a Doberman should look like..not the way they are in the US...thankfully ear cropping is forbidden in the UK...just like tail docking...
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: KC on April 16, 2013, 03:06:27 PM
I agree Wullie! 

Just like I love a standard poodle with natural and full tail!  We have one the tail was already done...but next one will not be!!! 

But...back to you don't normally see any casting done with 'laid back' ears...they usually are what they term "erect" ears.
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: bigwull on April 16, 2013, 03:31:15 PM
That,s if it is indeed a Doberman...which, I don,t think its is...for a start...its the wrong colour..... ;D.
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: Ipcress on April 16, 2013, 04:09:14 PM
Looks like a whippet

(http://helencatherinecramer.com/dogs/whippet-head-open-show-coot.jpg)
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: bigwull on April 16, 2013, 04:29:02 PM
Looks closer to that than it does to a doberman...thats for sure...and as a whippet is only a smaller version of a greyhound...then I would have to say the original poster may be correct...
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: fancypants on April 16, 2013, 10:09:56 PM
You folks sure do know your dorgs way better than me ...
the little sucker still looks like a grumpy dobie to me , though .

Might be an award/trophy plaque ... a novel hat-rack ?

IDK !
 
See where a pesky suggestion might lead !
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: KC on April 16, 2013, 10:26:45 PM
Ha...they had a hard time deciding too!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-1937-ARMOR-BRONZE-WHIPET-BORZOI-GREYHOUND-DOG-ART-STATUE-BOOK-BOOKENDS-/310430421998 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-1937-ARMOR-BRONZE-WHIPET-BORZOI-GREYHOUND-DOG-ART-STATUE-BOOK-BOOKENDS-/310430421998)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Large-Antique-Austrian-Bronze-BORZOI-SALUKI-or-WOLFHOUND-DOG-/171022990225?pt=Antiques_Decorative_Arts&hash=item27d1c3bb91&x=31&y=5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Large-Antique-Austrian-Bronze-BORZOI-SALUKI-or-WOLFHOUND-DOG-/171022990225?pt=Antiques_Decorative_Arts&hash=item27d1c3bb91&x=31&y=5)

Or a Saluki
http://www.artparks.co.uk/artpark_sculpture.php?sculpture=5603&sculptor=ellen_christiansen (http://www.artparks.co.uk/artpark_sculpture.php?sculpture=5603&sculptor=ellen_christiansen)

Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: sapphire on April 17, 2013, 06:37:45 AM
Guess I'll have to back peddle.  ;) To me the nose looked to 'squared' for a grey, more inline with a dobe. But you guys are right about the ears. Be nice to see a full on side shot of it's face.
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: Rauville on April 17, 2013, 06:46:29 AM
As long as we are speculating...how about a Hortaya Borzada? (I'm glad that I'm blessed with Chihuahuas. 8))

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Hortaya_borzada_head.jpg)
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: KC on April 17, 2013, 09:34:34 AM
Love the pics of the Hortaya Borzada....FYI....i t was bred in Russia with the same lines from the Borzoi or Russian Wolfhound!!!
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: greyhoundbuddy on April 18, 2013, 06:37:16 AM
Thanks for all the responses guys (and Ladies), I will try to get a good picture of the side and especially the back of the head. It could be a Whippet, I had a Whippet for over 7 years until he passed about 1 1/2 months ago. I still have one Greyhound and will be getting another Greyhound in about a month. Hope to get more pictures by tomorrow. Thanks again for all the responses!
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: KC on April 18, 2013, 08:45:48 AM
Are you getting the greyhound from rescue?

I have had friends get them over the years from there.  They are the sweetest dogs, great personalities but so doggone fast if they see something they want to go after (like a cute little bunny in the field). 
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: bigwull on April 18, 2013, 08:52:11 AM
Thankfully thats banned over here...No Hare Coursing...that and Badger baiting,
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: sapphire on April 18, 2013, 10:19:38 AM
Are you getting the greyhound from rescue?

I have had friends get them over the years from there.  They are the sweetest dogs, great personalities but so doggone fast if they see something they want to go after (like a cute little bunny in the field). 

We have Greyhound Pets of Atlantic Canada (GPAC) here. They bring trailer loads up about 4-5 times a year from a couple of tracks in Florida that they have combined efforts with. Not unusual for initial adopters to become multiple adopters.......upwa rds of 3,4,5 and more.  Apparently, like chips, once you have one you can stop  ;) The last load was accompanied and driven by a couple who are breeders/trainers and they finally got to see the facilities and meet many of the people who are or will be the dogs' retirement families. A wonderful community and extraordinary, loving dogs.
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: greyhoundbuddy on April 20, 2013, 11:48:50 AM
This shot here is what makes me think it is a Greyhound because the ribs show so much, that is more of a Greyhound feature then most other dogs.

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff161/greyhoundbuddy/brass/brass-5.jpg:original)


I have received all my Greyhounds from a local adoption organization, unfortunately the one I hope to get soon (a black brindle girl) is locked up in the pokey. She has about another 30 days in the hole until she is sprung  http://www.tgie-greyhounds.org/ (http://www.tgie-greyhounds.org/). She will be coming from the same group I received my first ones from in 2001 http://www.greyhoundbuddy.com/ (http://www.greyhoundbuddy.com/) although the first two were not prison dogs. As long as she gets along with our current greyhound (below) everything should be good.

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff161/greyhoundbuddy/brass/Nico.jpg:original)
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: bigwull on April 20, 2013, 12:31:54 PM
This shot here is what makes me think it is a Greyhound because the ribs show so much, that is more of a Greyhound feature then most other dogs.

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff161/greyhoundbuddy/brass/brass-5.jpg:original)Maybe if you had shown that pic at the begining...it could have saved a lot of searching, and conjecture....


I have received all my Greyhounds from a local adoption organization, unfortunately the one I hope to get soon (a black brindle girl) is locked up in the pokey. She has about another 30 days in the hole until she is sprung  http://www.tgie-greyhounds.org/ (http://www.tgie-greyhounds.org/). She will be coming from the same group I received my first ones from in 2001 http://www.greyhoundbuddy.com/ (http://www.greyhoundbuddy.com/) although the first two were not prison dogs. As long as she gets along with our current greyhound (below) everything should be good.

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff161/greyhoundbuddy/brass/Nico.jpg:original)
Maybe if you had shown that pic at the begining...it could have saved a lot of searching, and conjecture
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: sapphire on April 21, 2013, 09:28:51 AM

I have received all my Greyhounds from a local adoption organization, unfortunately the one I hope to get soon (a black brindle girl) is locked up in the pokey. She has about another 30 days in the hole until she is sprung  http://www.tgie-greyhounds.org/ (http://www.tgie-greyhounds.org/). She will be coming from the same group I received my first ones from in 2001 http://www.greyhoundbuddy.com/ (http://www.greyhoundbuddy.com/) although the first two were not prison dogs.

Greyhoundbuddy....y ou may find this article interesting.  Our GPAC is now committed to bringing in and rehoming galgos, all the way from Spain. These dogs are generally abandoned, hung or worse when they are found no longer useful for racing. Three will be arriving soon! :)

http://thechronicleherald.ca/blogs/pet-connection-by-pat-lee/1124534-disposable-spanish-greyhounds-to-get-second-chance-in-the-ma#.UXPGc2-jnzU.facebook
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: KC on April 21, 2013, 01:33:13 PM
Interestingly enough, alot of greyhound paraphernalia depicts them with upright ears!

http://castofcharacters.com/greywhip.htm (http://castofcharacters.com/greywhip.htm)

Sapphire that sorta reminds me of a sloughi from Africa which is known as the African GreyHound!
(http://dogbreedinfo.com/images17/SloughiAinZafirAshrafAzaar13Months2.JPG)
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: mart on April 21, 2013, 02:44:18 PM
I tend to think Whippet !!  Shorter muzzle than Greyhound,, slight difference in profile !!
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: KC on April 22, 2013, 07:02:13 PM
Whippet has a much shorter neck as well.  Thinking that way as well Mart!
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: bigwull on April 23, 2013, 07:47:29 AM
you, forgot aboot the Lurcher.....see images

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lurcher&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=qJB2UZr_DNSY0AX68ICQAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CKwBEIke&biw=1024&bih=624
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: KC on April 25, 2013, 02:07:08 PM
Nice!  Does look alot like the Lurcher!!!
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: bigwull on April 25, 2013, 02:16:29 PM
Thats what makes this place so great...all the different opinions,..we,ve had Dobermans, Borzoi,s,Whippets,Saluki,s,Sloughi,s....and i keep the strangest to last...and it comes from...the man with the big book....a  Hortaya Borzada..... ;)
Title: Re: Greyhound Sculpture
Post by: KC on April 25, 2013, 05:42:26 PM
The Hortaya Borzada is related to the Borzoi and is Russian in breeding but it is a L A R G E dog.