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Title: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: Mr_Dunev on April 17, 2013, 08:09:27 PM
We'll start with the rolling, measuring device. Actually not even sure if it's that old, but it was in a box full of other antiques, so I thought I might as well see if anyone knows what it is. You put it on a surface and as you move it, the needle moves telling you the distance. Strange denominations though.

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/Mr_Dunev/IMG_1143_zps469137f9.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/Mr_Dunev/media/IMG_1143_zps469137f9.jpg.html)

Next is a drafting kit, that I THINK was either used by my father in Vietnam who was a helicopter pilot. Or by my Grandfather who was in WWII and was in the Corps of Engineers.

They are all marked with F.A.P and have a strange looking peace sign on them.

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/Mr_Dunev/IMG_1124_zpsc5ac67c2.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/Mr_Dunev/media/IMG_1124_zpsc5ac67c2.jpg.html)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/Mr_Dunev/IMG_1125_zps83a29177.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/Mr_Dunev/media/IMG_1125_zps83a29177.jpg.html)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/Mr_Dunev/IMG_1126_zps51d12198.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/Mr_Dunev/media/IMG_1126_zps51d12198.jpg.html)

Lastly we have a Swedish Straight Razor made by C.V HELIESTRAND and on one side it says MK no.8
I have found a few things about the company and other razors, but not about this model.

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/Mr_Dunev/IMG_1142_zpsea5620ff.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/Mr_Dunev/media/IMG_1142_zpsea5620ff.jpg.html)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/Mr_Dunev/IMG_1140_zps94cf104c.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/Mr_Dunev/media/IMG_1140_zps94cf104c.jpg.html)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/Mr_Dunev/IMG_1141_zps5bf66662.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/Mr_Dunev/media/IMG_1141_zps5bf66662.jpg.html)

Thanks again everyone for the help. I think I only have 1 more thread to post after this. ;D
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: sapphire on April 17, 2013, 09:37:45 PM
Here's a link to a forum with a discussion about the different Heljestrand MK models. Didn't read all through, but maybe you could join and post  ;)

http://badgerandblade.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-208398.html
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: Rauville on April 17, 2013, 10:13:32 PM
The measuring device is an mechanical analog map reader. Roll it along a map and determine the distance by reading off the matching scale. I believe you can still buy a new one for $20-$30.

Nice old drafting set. The thing about those sets, is that the first one you bought was also your last one...they never wore out, and nobody ever threw them away. The value on the older sets never seems to match what you would think they should be worth. (Those ruling pens seemed to make good roach clips back in the 60's...at least yours didn't suffer that fate. :o)
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: bigwull on April 18, 2013, 02:18:35 AM
This is a prime example, of "lost in translation"..when i first saw the topic heading..re, Drafting kit,..i thought it was going to be about, army drafting...as our spelling of this is "Draughting"..as to the Open razor.or Cut throat,as it was known here,..this was a stock tool of the Teddy Boys..in Glasgow in the 1950,s...and it was used for "chibbing"..e.g..slashing an opponent...
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: mart on April 18, 2013, 04:44:53 AM
Straight razors are very collectable so check with one of the collector groups for value !!
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: frogpatch on April 18, 2013, 06:28:44 AM
The rolling device also looks like the device I would use for measuring distances on blueprints for estimating. The only thing is I do not see any 1/8 inch to 1 foot scale on it. It would make sense being found with a drafting kit.
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: KC on April 18, 2013, 08:52:40 AM
Yepper, it is a blueprint measuring distance measuring device.  That and the drafting kit are nice collectibles but you won't retire on them.

Razors are hot right now....so there are collectors out there....
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: Rauville on April 18, 2013, 09:39:47 AM
Maybe I'm wrong, but unless that measuring wheel has double faces, it would be confusing to use on a blueprint.
Those are different map scales on the face: 1:25,000 to 1:200,000
http://egsc.usgs.gov/isb/pubs/factsheets/fs01502.html (http://egsc.usgs.gov/isb/pubs/factsheets/fs01502.html)
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: Mr_Dunev on April 19, 2013, 11:09:26 AM
Maybe I'm wrong, but unless that measuring wheel has double faces, it would be confusing to use on a blueprint.
Those are different map scales on the face: 1:25,000 to 1:200,000
http://egsc.usgs.gov/isb/pubs/factsheets/fs01502.html (http://egsc.usgs.gov/isb/pubs/factsheets/fs01502.html)

It does have double faces  ;D
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: bigwull on April 19, 2013, 12:19:46 PM
Can we see the obverse side of this Badenweiler ..item...Badenweile r..is a health/Spa Resort..in Southern Germany...
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: Mr_Dunev on April 19, 2013, 12:26:48 PM
Can we see the obverse side of this Badenweiler ..item...Badenweile r..is a health/Spa Resort..in Southern Germany...

Are you talking about my other thread?
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: bigwull on April 19, 2013, 02:28:29 PM
Oops...confusion... ..will be......
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: ghopper1924 on April 20, 2013, 08:36:26 AM
...my epitaph.
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: KC on April 20, 2013, 05:17:47 PM
LOLOL grasshopper1924!
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: bigwull on April 20, 2013, 05:32:36 PM
LOLOL grasshopper1924!
and the link ...is?
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: mart on April 20, 2013, 06:40:04 PM
 This is very confusing !!! ???
Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: cogar on April 21, 2013, 03:00:53 AM
The rolling device also looks like the device I would use for measuring distances on blueprints for estimating. The only thing is I do not see any 1/8 inch to 1 foot scale on it. It would make sense being found with a drafting kit.

Before they invented computer programs to do it ....... these were all drawn by hand, to wit:

USGS TOPO (topographical) maps

(http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/how-to-read-topographic-map-3.jpg)

(http://nationalmap.gov/ustopo/UST_slideshow2/oklahoma_city/images/OK_Oklahoma_City_20121211_TM_topo_thumb.jpg)


Title: Re: Drafting kit, Straight Razor, Some kind of Rolling Measuring Device.
Post by: bigwull on April 21, 2013, 12:48:14 PM
This is very confusing !!! ???
this should help!! ;D ;D..but then ..maybe not...M,A,D,s...music.... ;D

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Is cracking at the seams.
Upon the instruments of death
The sunlight brightly gleams.
When every man is torn apart
With nightmares and with dreams,
Will no one lay the laurel wreath
When silence drowns the screams.

Confusion will be my epitaph.
As I crawl a cracked and broken path
If we make it we can all sit back
And laugh.
But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying,
Yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying.

Between the iron gates of fate,
The seeds of time were sown,
And watered by the deeds of those
Who know and who are known;
Knowledge is a deadly friend
When no one sets the rules.
The fate of all mankind I see
Is in the hands of fools.

Confusion will be my epitaph.
As I crawl a cracked and broken path
If we make it we can all sit back
And laugh.
But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying,
Yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying