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Title: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: Blackening on May 04, 2013, 06:59:10 PM
Hey, was hoping to find any possible info on this statuette my mother has; she swears up and down that it has some kind of value. The closest thing I can find to a signature is what looks like an X on the bottom of the base; the top parts of the X curve outward, looking like two hockey sticks or golf clubs crossed over each other. Here's some pictures, of course. Took one next to a bottle of furniture polish for a size reference.

(http://i.imgur.com/JgIMatA.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/VQfxMeb.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/w4A7Cdw.jpg)
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: mart on May 05, 2013, 10:12:17 AM
Is the mark you are talking about on the foot ??  Upper left of corner ??  Makers marks would be on bottom,, not on foot !!
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: Thor on May 05, 2013, 11:36:29 AM
Blackening,

I think I see the mark on the bottom- do the lines curve like two candy canes or are they angled bends?

I found this resource of porcelain marks: www.oldandsold.com/pottery/germany11.shtml  The link is to page 11 of the German marks because #6 on the page is crossed lines with angles like golf clubs.  Actually on a few of the previous pages there were similar marks listed.  This may give you an idea of who made it. 

Does your mom know where it came from?  If so you could check the porcelain marks from that area of the world.  Or how old it is?

Hope the link helps.
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: mart on May 05, 2013, 03:04:16 PM
I can`t see any mark other than what I said above !!  Can you post a clear pic ??  All I see on bottom is glare !!
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: bigwull on May 05, 2013, 03:09:55 PM
if Thor can see a mark on that base...he/she must have cheaters with lenses as thick as the arse of a milk bottle....cos i can,t see a thing...
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: fancypants on May 05, 2013, 08:22:45 PM
I see the mark , but don't 'automatic-pilot' recognize it as an antique one .

Looks as if there was 'painting' over the glazed portions , such as the eyeballs , gold gilding , etc .

It's a bit of an oddball to my eyes , considering its' quality & value (which I have little clue about) , starting from the point that the bust is sitting atop an off-centered integral 'base' , and that the hand that did some of the post-glaze work was none too steady .

I'm betting there's a few like this kicking around the world !
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: ghopper1924 on May 06, 2013, 04:58:51 AM
I'm betting there's a few like this kicking around the world !
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Yeah, more than a few would be my guess.

Late 20th century. None too valuable.
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: Blackening on May 06, 2013, 08:19:19 AM
Like most things my mother finds, she found it at a garage sale. She's into collecting figurines(much to my chagrin), and she kept going on and on about this particular statue. I don't have any more information other than what I gave you; the mark is on the very bottom, and it's pretty glazed over. Still, thank you for all the help.
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: bigwull on May 06, 2013, 11:16:47 AM
Its just a pity the mark is,nt more defined...from your description it sounds if it is German,but i,d have to see it to be sure,would you be able to take a pencil rubbing...
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: mart on May 06, 2013, 08:24:58 PM
I must be totally blind too Wullie !!   Rubbing would be nice !! Personally,, I do not see quality in this bust and think its a fairly new repro of older piece !!  She probably thinks its the crossed swords Meissen mark !!  But it is not that quality !!  Sorry !!  Wish we could tell her she found a good one !!
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: Ipcress on May 06, 2013, 09:06:40 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-WALLENDORF-HAND-PAINTED-PORCELAIN-BUST-OF-A-DARLING-SHY-LITTLE-BOY-/190793271082?pt=Antiques_Decorative_Arts&hash=item2c6c2a472a&nma=true&si=UqSARnUUJSRT%252FiL8VSyeLnkWhMI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Not convinced they've identified the mark correctly.
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: bigwull on May 07, 2013, 12:37:50 AM
but you have,and that,s all that matters, ..you get a box of these,and a brownie point...
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: mart on May 07, 2013, 09:57:35 AM
Well at least we could see the mark on that one Ipcress !! Excellent work !!  Could have fooled me !!   Hope the person comes back to see what you found !!
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: Ipcress on May 07, 2013, 10:03:30 AM
Hopefully !

Doubt it's worth a great deal. Doesn't look particularly fine and the socle base looks out of line
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: fancypants on May 07, 2013, 10:03:49 AM
Nice bingo , Ipcress !

You get the carrot , not the stick !!!

I share your opinion on the hallmark too .
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: bigwull on May 07, 2013, 11:08:22 AM
Mart!!....I,m needing a pair of your cheaters...I,m boogered if I can see a mark on that one Ippy...found...at first I thought...maybe its the same one.... ;D
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: mart on May 07, 2013, 11:27:27 AM
Scroll below the first row of pics at bottom,, there is another row with a good clear shot !!
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: bigwull on May 07, 2013, 12:15:41 PM
Looks like an unfinished Hackenkreutze...
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: mart on May 07, 2013, 02:11:15 PM
Hackenwhat ????
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: Ipcress on May 07, 2013, 02:19:03 PM
The Hakenkreuz, more infamously known as the swastika used by the Nazi Party.


Sometimes see it on Good Luck postcards before they used it.
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: bigwull on May 07, 2013, 03:12:51 PM
The Hakenkreuz, more infamously known as the swastika used by the Nazi Party.


Sometimes see it on Good Luck postcards before they used it.
Infamous....not through my eyes.my late father, was in the SS and fought  on the Eastern front, for 2 years...
Title: Re: Young Napoleon Statuette
Post by: Blackening on May 07, 2013, 05:43:09 PM
Thanks for everything!