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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: leeb2012 on May 12, 2013, 01:47:16 AM
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i am having real trouble with identifying this bowl i found in the back of the cupboard.
please can i have help
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A pic of the bowl would be nice,...
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Yes please,, need to see the bowl itself as well as the backstamp !!
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from what little i can see, the bowl reminds me of a pumpkin...with those segments....
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It is a genuine, mark,....
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England was added to the mark Wedgwood in 1891 to comply with the American Customs Regulation known as the McKinley Tariff Act...so we know it was after this date, but until we see the bowl the correct way up, we are powerless, to identify it...unless we happen upon it by chance,
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I would e-mail the museum. They have an online gallery but loads of items / patterns missing from this era.
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I read that the 3 stars (***) on the printed mark were used in the 1900-1920 era. Otherwise, I know nothing. :-\
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Yeah, and that's the period that's lacking on the museum web pages i looked at.
The fairyland lustre stuff sells really well. The bowls have a beautiful sound when you tap them to check for restoration / cracks.
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here is the photo of the bowl it is approx 8" ish..... it also does have that really AMAZING "dinnnnggg" noise when you flick it.
thanks
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Are you sure there's no number on the base ? Even impressed ?
I think you've got something a bit special here - never seen that pattern in the well before.
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Yes please,, need to see the bowl itself as well as the backstamp !!
Hi added the photo :)
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Are you sure there's no number on the base ? Even impressed ?
I think you've got something a bit special here - never seen that pattern in the well before.
I there is no numbers just the monogram.
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Are you sure there's no number on the base ? Even impressed ?
I think you've got something a bit special here - never seen that pattern in the well before.
Could this be a prototype??
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There appears to be an impressed mark to the left of the main Portland Vase backstamp ?
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There appears to be an impressed mark to the left of the main Portland Vase backstamp ?
Looks like an impressed mark but can`t be sure !! Can kind of see a 1 !! Maybe a pic taken at an angle would help !! Or take something with a color,, red soda, even a colored dish soap and let it run around the bottom !! Might highlight it enough to see what it is !! If the numbers are impressed the colored liquid should settle in the lines !! If raised the liquid should flow around it enough to see !! I used to use Kool Aid and water mixed a little stronger than to drink,,no sugar !!
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There appears to be an impressed mark to the left of the main Portland Vase backstamp ?
Looks like an impressed mark but can`t be sure !! Can kind of see a 1 !! Maybe a pic taken at an angle would help !! Or take something with a color,, red soda, even a colored dish soap and let it run around the bottom !! Might highlight it enough to see what it is !! If the numbers are impressed the colored liquid should settle in the lines !! If raised the liquid should flow around it enough to see !! I used to use Kool Aid and water mixed a little stronger than to drink,,no sugar !!
Sounds revolting.....
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There appears to be an impressed mark to the left of the main Portland Vase backstamp ?
Looks like an impressed mark but can`t be sure !! Can kind of see a 1 !! Maybe a pic taken at an angle would help !! Or take something with a color,, red soda, even a colored dish soap and let it run around the bottom !! Might highlight it enough to see what it is !! If the numbers are impressed the colored liquid should settle in the lines !! If raised the liquid should flow around it enough to see !! I used to use Kool Aid and water mixed a little stronger than to drink,,no sugar !!
i have tried to do this but the impressed number is under the glaze so it is not raised
It looks like a 7 or a 1 I am really not sure
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If not raised or impressed,, how is it done ??
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If not raised or impressed,, how is it done ??
it is impressed but..... There is the thick glaze over the top and it is completely smooth
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I read that the 3 stars (***) on the printed mark were used in the 1900-1920 era. Otherwise, I know nothing. :-\
What!!...have you lost yer big Book..... ;D
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What value could this be? Around £200???
Could be more. I've sold some Wedgwood and Daisy Makeig Jones bowls for £3,000 before. I doubt this is that valuable due to the pattern but it's certainly scarce.
I'd e-mail the museum. Please let us know what they say !
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What value could this be? Around £200???
Could be more. I've sold some Wedgwood and Daisy Makeig Jones bowls for £3,000 before. I doubt this is that valuable due to the pattern but it's certainly scarce.
I'd e-mail the museum. Please let us know what they say !
great thanks I will let you know ASAP
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First of all I would like to thank people for there input you were a great help.
I have just received a reply from the Wedgwood museum, this is how it reads....
" Thank you for your email. The bowl you have looks to be a piece painted by a lady named Mabel Tatton.
Mabel Tatton (b.1885 d.1973) was a Paintress who started working at Etruria in 1907 after previously working for Minton Hollins and George Jones. She took over from her sister Ethel Tatton, as the head of the painting and enamelling department at Wedgwood, in around 1910. She sometimes signs her pieces with her monogram. She left the Wedgwood Company in c.1928. Her married name became Mabel Wilder.
The pattern does not appear within our archive and so the best I can do on a date is 1907-1928."
So this helps a lot and now all I need is the value :-) and the best place to sell this.
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Where are you...general location,if in UK,...lots of good Auction houses,...who specialize in English Porcelain...Wedgwoo d, has a good name,...Auctioneer will also give free evaluation,..or you can send pics to these people..with a copy of the email you got,..and you will get a free evaluation,..Anita Manning,is well known in the UK...
http://www.greatwesternauctions.com/
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Where are you...general location,if in UK,...lots of good Auction houses,...who specialize in English Porcelain...Wedgwoo d, has a good name,...Auctioneer will also give free evaluation,..or you can send pics to these people..with a copy of the email you got,..and you will get a free evaluation,..Anita Manning,is well known in the UK...
http://www.greatwesternauctions.com/
thanks for that information. Do you think this would be a better option than ebay?
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Wait and see what the Auction house say,.Ok, ebay has a worldwide audience..but its a fickle place, and unless this bowl is what we all hope it is,..then anything can happen....whereas, If,for instance you were to sell it at the Great Western auction .then they are linked via the internet, for worldwide bidding,...me personally, I would,nt be selling something like this on ebay...anything can happen...like say a buyer lives on the otherside of the world, you send it,it arrives broken, they complain to ebay, your money gets held...na, if you sell via an auction house,..to me its the safer option...
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First of all I would like to thank people for there input you were a great help.
I have just received a reply from the Wedgwood museum, this is how it reads....
" Thank you for your email. The bowl you have looks to be a piece painted by a lady named Mabel Tatton.
Mabel Tatton (b.1885 d.1973) was a Paintress who started working at Etruria in 1907 after previously working for Minton Hollins and George Jones. She took over from her sister Ethel Tatton, as the head of the painting and enamelling department at Wedgwood, in around 1910. She sometimes signs her pieces with her monogram. She left the Wedgwood Company in c.1928. Her married name became Mabel Wilder.
The pattern does not appear within our archive and so the best I can do on a date is 1907-1928."
So this helps a lot and now all I need is the value :-) and the best place to sell this.
Right - what you have there is a wonderful piece of provenance from the Wedgwood museum. Print it off, keep it with the bowl.
A rare bowl painted by someone who worked not only for Wedgwood but George Jones !
I can guarantee that the people at Great Western will do their best but valuing something like this is very difficult as there's no precedent, no previous sales to use as a guide.
My own opinion is £200-300 with a fixed reserve - you don't want to set a ridiculous price and that estimate should attract interest from dealers, collectors and those who just love it. You get all three bidding and that's when things fly !!
And i have known museums bid tremendously well for items they don't have ;)
A museum curator i know of won a lot for £300 when she had budgeted £5,000 for. She couldn't stop shaking
Depends where you are but you should take a couple of good photos and e-mail them with the copied text from the museum e-mail to a few local auction houses. You want somewhere which has excellent fine art sales with internet bidding. I'd also advise you to wait until the autumn as the summer is not as good a time to sell ( people are busier etc )
You could try Ebay but with something this scarce there are too many potential pot holes.
If you let me know the county you're in, i'll list the best auction houses to contact
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I would agree with Wullie and Ipcress !! They know the UK sales well !! Ebay is not the place for your bowl !!
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Good advice here!!
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Thanks for the info however I have placed this on eBay just to see happens. I have had 40 views and 26 watchers!!!! Just over night.
Someone has offered me £350 for this but I will hold out for a while to drum up interest. I have also had 2 people ask about buy it now.
I might withdraw this when I find out what the auction house say.
However I am based near Brighton in the uk
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Have you listed it without reserve ?
Had you listed it with one it would have been quite interesting to see what Ebay buyers made of it - the problems arise with shipping, people claiming it has arrived damaged etc
You should e-mail Philip Serrell and see what he thinks - he's not too far from Brighton. Sworders and Woolley & Wallis would be my other choices near you - high quality catalogue auctions with internet bidding and well publicised in the Antiques Trade Gazette
The £350 early " bid " is encouraging but also implies it would fetch more.
The pic from above you've used on Ebay really shows the quality.
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Thanks for the info however I have placed this on eBay just to see happens. I have had 40 views and 26 watchers!!!! Just over night.
Someone has offered me £350 for this but I will hold out for a while to drum up interest. I have also had 2 people ask about buy it now.
I might withdraw this when I find out what the auction house say.
However I am based near Brighton in the uk
can you post the ebay link...so that we can all see it...
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/wedgwood-bowl-c1900s-Art-Nouveau-Mabel-Tatton-RARE-like-Fairyland-Lustre-Bowl-/151045062032?pt=UK_PotteryPorcelain_Glass_PotteryPorcelain_China_SM&hash=item232afcbd90 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/wedgwood-bowl-c1900s-Art-Nouveau-Mabel-Tatton-RARE-like-Fairyland-Lustre-Bowl-/151045062032?pt=UK_PotteryPorcelain_Glass_PotteryPorcelain_China_SM&hash=item232afcbd90)
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yh sorry i was going to add the link but i had to wait until i got home.
It is great advice on this forum and i am going to contact the other auction houses as well.
thanks again
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Saw that you ended the item. Any update?