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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: dshoup1 on May 26, 2013, 09:01:15 AM
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I was told the tea set was over 300 years old
The silver and crystal box no markings
And the tankard is stamped with jd on the bottom
All items came from belgium
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Sorry but the teaset isn't 300 years old. It looks 20th century especially with that style of gilding & the quality just isn't there for 300+ years old. The shape of the cup suggests a coffee "can" as opposed to a tea cup. If we had a pic of the pot that would help.
The box may be a sardine dish, but I can't really tell much from the picture. I've not seen sardine dishes with handles before, so I'm only making a suggestion.
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I agree with gg27 !! That is a pretty modern coffee cup style and there is little evidence of age that I can see !! Modern style and pattern !! Did you buy this set from a shop ?? Can`t see the others well !!
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Everything came from my grandmother that lived in belgium it was all passed down it was all stuff that she held on to and had put away
I will take more pics
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Here is a pic of whole set
It was handed down to my grandmother in belgium
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That's a coffee set not tea !! And I am pretty sure its 20th century !! Will look more tomorrow !!
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Agree with Mart, that is a coffee set & I still say it's 20th century. Could be 30's - 40's. Family lore has a way of changing dates of items. GG
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Have to agree with both Mart & GG..this looks more 50,s/60,s...and the cups look like expresso,size, and as GG says,peoples recollections...ten d to add years to some things....as people get older..their memory...ages faster...and what they perceive as being...hundreds of years old...will more than likely be a fraction of that....i have some items here that i got from my gran...who when i was young...told me she got them from her mum...when the truth was they,d been bought in the 50,s
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More pics of sardine box?
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The stamp on bottom of tankard says jd
The bottom is hand rolled not welded or solderd
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when you ping the glass,with your nail... does it have a high pitched ring....as it looks more like moulded glass
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The box I had appraised once
The finding was pure crystal and silver.
I was told about 20 years ago that the box belongs in a museum
The apraiser could not place a value to it .
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I live york pa is there any well known appraisers local to my area ?
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Just thinking about this box some more. The handle on it makes me question whether it's a sardine box or not. I've had a couple of square porcelain "comb honey dishes" which had lids & a similar look to this. Could be? GG
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Thank you
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http://www.porcelainmarksandmore.com/bavaria/marktleuthen_1/00.php
On the coffee set can you post a different pic of the mark ?? Maybe the one on the bottom of the pot itself ?? If you look down on this page you will see the Winterling mark !! I am not sure that your set is not a knock off of this mark !! This was pretty common. Need to see a few other marks from your set !! Even if real its from 1903 to 1945 and this company was in business way after that so still could be later !!
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We can trace it back in the family to 1922
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1922 is within right area,, but that is a long way from 300 years !! Will keep on looking !!
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http://www.porcelainmarksandmore.com/bavaria/schwarzenbach_1/00.php
Found it !! Image 2-31 and 2-32 !! Yours is the gray green mark !! Used after 1950 !! So can`t be from 1922 !! Many families fail to remember dates and years !! Especially if the items belong to parents or grandparents !! It just gets lost in the memory !!
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Thank you for confirming my suspicions regarding the date of the coffee set. I figured it was mid century. GG
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Lots of help
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just what i said earlier....
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Thank you for confirming my suspicions regarding the date of the coffee set. I figured it was mid century. GG
I was pretty sure too but would rather know for sure !! Almost everything follows a style pattern and this was a typical mid century style !! You can follow the evolution with reasonable certainty !! Now the other two pieces !!
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http://www.porcelainmarksandmore.com/bavaria/schwarzenbach_1/00.php
Found it !! Image 2-31 and 2-32 !! Yours is the gray green mark !! Used after 1950 !! So can`t be from 1922 !! Many families fail to remember dates and years !! Especially if the items belong to parents or grandparents !! It just gets lost in the memory !!
I'd have said it was later than 1950, too.
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31 and 32 don't have the crown above
What's the crown represent?
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Crown and cross is just the mark for Bavaria !!
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gg27, You are the only other one who has known the honey comb box!!!! That is what I was wondering.
A delicacy to serve in Victorian to early 1900's.
Can you post a better close up of any marks on the silver? Look closely please.
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gg27, You are the only other one who has known the honey comb box!!!! That is what I was wondering.
I've always been known for having knowledge of bizarre, useless items! :o ;D You're the only other person that has known this item as well.
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Beautiful crystal box I would say french made and agree it looks to be late 1800s to early 1900s Could very well be a honey comb dish / box! What is the size they were usually 5" to 51/2" square.
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The crystal box is 6" 1/2L × 4" 5/8w
3" 1/2 deep
Can not find any markings .
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Those are not a common item !! This is the first time I have seen one and few are mentioned anywhere !!
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I'm one of "those people" that likes finding out about (and collecting) odd and lesser known serving items. That is why I am betting the honeycomb....BUT it could be a sardine server!!!
HOWEVER....I am betting on the sweeter answer!!!
I used to teach cooking classes and would bring them in for people to see...especially when talking about teas, etc.
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@ KC what do you know about the tankard
It is real heavy metal the bottom has a round plate in it and the sides of the cup are hand forged/rolled under to create the seal for the bottom.
J.C is stamped on the bottom
And the rim of the cup is a series of small stamps that I can't read I'm afraid to clean the cup
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I googled and Googled jc I can't find a clue:(
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You need to take a good pic of the bottom and other marks !!
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Please post pics of the tankard top view, bottom view, etc.
Need closeups of any markings, etc.
That will help all with trying to solve the mystery!
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The initials on the bottom read J.D
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I'm wondering/leaning towards it being pewter!!!! You might want to try this site "The Pewter Society". They help identify marks for free. Note: "If you only have a couple of pieces, the Society is willing to identify the marks for you if we can. This service is free, but it is not available to dealers nor to individuals if the sole purpose of the identification is to facilitate the sale of the item."
http://www.pewtersociety.org/identify/pewterers-marks/ (http://www.pewtersociety.org/identify/pewterers-marks/)
However, Mart referred in another post to this site - it is a good one also...
http://www.antique-metalware.co.uk/ (http://www.antique-metalware.co.uk/)
Best of luck!!!
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I think the glass box is just a biscuit box. A less expensive version of this
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/17328692_a-french-silver-and-glass-biscuit-box-makers-mark-poo (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/17328692_a-french-silver-and-glass-biscuit-box-makers-mark-poo)
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looks like another notch for the Ip man........Biscuits ....sure as hell...beats Sardines...and runny honey.. ;D..
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Good call
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Good call
That sold for £290 by the way
You're sure the white metal is unmarked ? Any chance of a good picture of it ?
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I've never had a square biscuit box come into the shop, always biscuit barrels. Interesting..... thanks for solving the puzzle! GG
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Thing is, the auction house has described it's use as for biscuits but it looks multifunctional to me.
Today i doubt anyone would store biscuits in a sealed glass container but posers who don't like wood or plastic might !
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I would like to thank all the great people on this site for all there time spent on these subjects
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Thing is, the auction house has described it's use as for biscuits but it looks multifunctional to me.
Today i doubt anyone would store biscuits in a sealed glass container but posers who don't like wood or plastic might !
If the container is,nt sealed then the biscuits go soggy....
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And if you seal them in glass and it's warm or daylight..They'd be kept in a pantry and put in the glass box for when guests arrived.
We're talking about the 19th century anyway. Cookies / biscuits / confectionary wouldn't last long and displaying them more important than having them hidden in a wooden container.
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This is what I got back on the tankard.....This is a French tavern mug with typically square shaped handle which appears to have been made by Dresco in Paris, a firm that was founded in 1850 by two brothers, L. and P. Dresco, who individually were still in production into the early twentieth century. I have not been able to read the left hand initial but the shape of the border and the rough image of the central part and the brother's prolific output points pretty clearly to either of them jointly or separately. The marks round the rim are Excise marks struck when the authorities verified the contents regularly each year for accuracy of content. These are date letters used in the Napoleonic system originated in France in 1802 but if this mug was used after manufacture in Belgium , that country also turned metric in 1801 through an act issued in Paris, reinforced in 1814 and finally in 1855 during independence. The only two letters I could make out were for 1899 and 1901 but the mug could well have been made some considerable time earlier, which would be born out by identifying some earlier marks struck further back round the rim
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And if you seal them in glass and it's warm or daylight..They'd be kept in a pantry and put in the glass box for when guests arrived.
We're talking about the 19th century anyway. Cookies / biscuits / confectionary wouldn't last long and displaying them more important than having them hidden in a wooden container.
Yeah..well, maybe in your house....
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Don't think it's a biscuit box!!! They were barrels, rounded or oval!
But, if you want to put your biscuits in there...you are more than welcome to! :)
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Things are not always in the same shape.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/2047842 (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/2047842)
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7180833 (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7180833)
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11641708_two-antique-biscuit-boxes (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11641708_two-antique-biscuit-boxes)
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/4314008 (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/4314008)
but as i said, it is multifunctional
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Sure wouldn`t hold many of them !!~
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That was my first thought
Not many biscuits in there?
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What's karma? Beside all the names?
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You're thinking of modern biscuits, and still just biscuits. And possibly the American version of biscuits.
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What's karma? Beside all the names?
good job...bad job....
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well, in that case...why don,t we just call it a high felluting...butter dish,cheese dish,....or whatever takes yer fancy dish.....
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Is this dish particularly heavy ?? As in thick glass ??
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if you look at the pic the glass looks about 3/8ths thick...thats why i initially thought it was moulded..as its a heavy looking lump...
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I was told Many times crystal and silver
don't see any mold lines
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Yes the dish has a lot of weight to it