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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: KevinM on May 26, 2013, 09:16:31 AM
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This is a recent purchase of a Duet Figurine of a young girl and a bird that I can't find anywhere. There are other Duet figurines that I have found but nothing like this one.
The Duet figurine is about 4 1/4 Inches in height and about 3 Inches wide. It has "Duet" painted on the bottom of it and another small blue paint mark which is probably just an artifact that got on the bottom when it was painted.
Does anyone know if this is an old Hummel/Goebel Figurine or is it some other maker? Also, does anyone have an idea of when and where the figurine may have been made?
Thanks!
Kevin
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/2560/duetq.jpg)
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This is a Hummel....if it is,nt....then...Ghopper will be shortless....as long as he ain,t in them at the time... ;D
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I'd say not but i dislike stuff like this anyway.
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I'd say not but i dislike stuff like this anyway.
you,re just saying that...so that i,ll have to eat Ghoppers shorts....as long as he ain,t in them... ;D
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Not a Hummel. GG
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Not a Hummel. GG
thats easy for you to say...Ghoppers shorts are at stake here....prove its not a hummel........
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And take your time....evidently Wullie's got a calorie deficit.
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Nope not a Hummel I have over 75 of them and that is not one! A genuine M.I. Hummel figurine must have a Facsimile M. I. Hummel signature INCISED (pressed in and in her writing) somewhere on the figure or edge of the base. Did not see one. Plus I have never seen such poorly done bottom eyelashes on any genuine piece. Sorry
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I,ve went off shorts....think i,ll stick to hats....then at least....i,ll know where its been.... ;D ;D...
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Oh the comments I could make.... ;D ;D
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Thanks Wendy177 for the Hummel information. And I agree about the eyes. Looks like the verdict is it's not a Hummel.
Thanks all....
Kevin
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Although, I do have this old broken figurine I recently purchased that I'm fairly certain is a Hummel without the M. I. Hummel signature. It's numbered "FF124/1 A", perhaps an early interim mark. It also has "Germany" stamped on it and I think it has the Crown Mark TMK-1. Is this an old original Hummel?
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As Wendy already said above: every Hummel bears the inmold "M.J. Hummel" signature. There is no exception, simply because it was part of the contract between Goebel and the Convent. Issuing Hummel figures without the signature would have meant cheating on the Convent and you can imagine how that would have been taken as the area was strictly catholic. It would have ruined Goebel. That is the reason even firing or glazing tests carry the impressed Hummel signature, Goebel did not want to push their luck.
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With the way Hummels have lost their value, I would think that this is an empy pursuit anyway.
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With the way Hummels have lost their value, I would think that this is an empy pursuit anyway.
Don,t tell Wendy that...her house is full of them....and shabby shit....furniture.. .. ;D
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I went to a Hummel auction with a big collector about 4 years ago, and he was shocked at how much value his collection had lost. And this pre-dates the general collapse of the antique market.
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Second one looks like a Hummel to me.
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Second mark I think is Goebel,,but not Hummel !! Everyone forgets that William Goebel had been using this mark before his association with Hummel in 1935 !!
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So mart,you are dating it earlier than 1935. I'm far from an expert on this topic,just posting what my trusty?book says.
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I would think so since it is Goebel and marked as such,, but anything that was designed by M.I. Hummel according to their agreement had her name on it,, even the trial runs were required to have it written in her handwriting !! It is known that William Goebel used this mark at least 12 years prior to his agreement with the convent !! This is not my area either but its easy info to find !! Everyone just naturally associates the two Goebel/Hummel but he was making things like this earlier !!
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Thanks Chris good to see you still here!! As for bigwull my house is full of my grandmothers Hummels all packed up in boxes wish I had them before they lost all value would have sold them so fast!! It is not however full of shabby shit :P Most of my furniture has been hand crafted by my husband who also has been swinging a hammer his whole life like you Mr. smarty pants!! ;) All rich solid woods no particle board crap!!
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Thanks Chris good to see you still here!! As for bigwull my house is full of my grandmothers Hummels all packed up in boxes wish I had them before they lost all value would have sold them so fast!! It is not however full of shabby shit :P Most of my furniture has been hand crafted by my husband who also has been swinging a hammer his whole life like you Mr. smarty pants!! ;) All rich solid woods no particle board crap!!
Your hubby,s skills far outweigh mine...think of me more as a 1st stage wood butcher...
and it warms the cockles of my heart...to see such fine workmanship...and.. to know that other people are thinking of me....it what ever form is suitable at the time... :)
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I'm not convinced that all Hummel figurines have an incised M.I. Hummel signature (see below), but, nevertheless, thanks for the input.
The last figurine I posted I found listed online as a Hummel/Goebel and another as Goebel, both circa 1950. I didn't find one with the TMK-1 mark I have but I think now it's probably Goebel, circa 1930's give or take a few years.
I've listed a few quotes and references below. I've seen a lot more online not listed here.
"Look for the Hummel signature. Find Hummel figurines signed with an incised M. I. Hummel signature, usually on a vertical surface near the base. A feature article in Collectors News magazine shows a painted Hummel signature and relates that some abbreviated signatures are found on small figurines. "In a few cases, no signature is included," the Woodworths, authors of the book "No. 1 Price Guide to M. I. Hummel Figurines," report in an article in "Collectors News" magazine."
Ref Source: http://www.ehow.com/how_6566543_identify-hummel-figurine.html
"The signature of Sister M.I.Hummel is incised on the base of almost every Hummel piece.
When the Convent and Sister Hummel made the historic contract with Franz Goebel, it was agreed that her signature, her personal stamp of approval, would appear on every piece.
It still does so today and the only exception is if figurines are without bases or do not have any adequate surface to display the signature. "
Ref Source: http://www.antique-marks.com/hummel-marks.html
"Goebel and Hummel Factory Marks
*Note: The M.I. Hummel signature was stamped or incised on all pieces that were large enough to accommodate it, but for pieces that couldn't - only the Goebel mark was used."
Ref Source: http://appletreedeals.com/mi-hummel-porcelain-figurines/mi-hummel-factory-marks-history/
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The first one is not a Hummel. It appears to have been made in occupied Japan, so I would venture a guess at Lefton, or Norcrest made this one. They didn't always label their products, simply because they would do contract work for other lesser companies. So there are a lot of obscure brands out there that look identical to Napco, Lefton, Py, etc.
The Hummel market has certainly collapsed. Here's one from 1985 that just sold. I was surprised by how much it went for. Look at the third picture though. The price tag is still on it. $200 in 1985.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-MI-Hummel-Goebel-50th-Anniversary-416-Boy-Girl-Figurine-West-Germany-/140967673998?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20d254008e (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-MI-Hummel-Goebel-50th-Anniversary-416-Boy-Girl-Figurine-West-Germany-/140967673998?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20d254008e)