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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: pervy_ninja on June 27, 2013, 10:25:44 PM
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Hello I just now joined this forum because I happened across this cool old window in an old barn I was cleaning out. I'd love some information and, if possible, value of it. Thanks!
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it may rock your boat....but it does nothing for me....sorry...
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My boat is rocking. I think it is really unusual.
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i,ve always found that if you sit down...they are more stable..... ;D
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Very unusual !! I am tipping too Frogpatch !! What is the size of this window ??
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Looks like new glass put into an old window frame. They bought a large piece of glass & cut the 3 panels, inserting them in the same order as the glass came. It's interesting, but not antique. GG
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Thanks for the responses! I agree it is quite unusual. It is roughly 4'x3' I would say. I'll measure it when I get back to town. And at the risk of sounding argumentative, GG, the glass has that wavy look to it that comes with old glass. But I am no expert. Thanks again everyone.
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gg27 may be right, however, looking at the perfect flow of the slag pattern it would either be one piece behind the dividers or they would have had to cut a perfect strip of glass off the edges. If it was simply cut in three the pattern would emerge on the opposite side of the divider at the same width as when it ended. This was no amateur if it is indeed three panels.
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Check the thickness of the glass and look at the nails & such that were used in the facing !! They did make marbleized glass late 1800`s,,hard to tell if this is that type though !! Can you take a pic of the other side too ??
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Purchased in a sheet and fit to an old frame I think it is just lovely!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-x-10-Spectrum-White-Opal-Swirl-on-Clear-Baroque-Stained-Glass-Sheet-SP308BR-/130920396081?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e7b76b531
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http://www.museum.bristolblueglass.com/nailsea-carafe-early-19th-cent/#.Uc3Xti7D-M8
It reminds me of Nailsea Glass. This is early blown glass.
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Close but Nailsea Glass is a very controlled process and patterns :)
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I love the window. I would clean it up and take all the old paint off. Then I would use a stain and some polyurethane and hang it in a large window.
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I personally like the old paint. I have an old single light window here from a craftsman cottage. Not sure what I am going to do with it but it has great sash ropes to hang it from. Maybe I will put a picture of the sea in it. I always wanted an ocean view.
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I like it and it can float and/or rock my boat any day! :)
When you get back to it...please post a close up of the back side, nails, etc.
Jury is out on the age of this. I know the church I grew up going to (over 130 years old) had window pieces like this.
I agree that it must be one large piece that was trimmed over or put behind the trim work...or they did one heck-of-a-job piecing it! But...if it came from a church (nice building) they would have taken the time to book match it!
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I was involved in the field of architecture for years, and still remember that a window is made up of "Rails, Stiles, Muntins and Lites". Those vertical dividers would be the muntins. I would say this is an example showing an experienced glazier's hand in the making.
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Looks like a metal fin has been attached , prob by the manufacturer , which would cause me to ponder the age on this one .... the style/design of the wooden stops for the panes are as those still produced & used today (& for decades prior) .
I'd assume that the wood is 'paint grade' & wouldn't look as cool as one might hope ... but a pic of the I/S side might just serve me some crow for that opinion .
A bummer that the sill has been broken off , but could be replaced &/or trimmed off (as for a 'display-only') !
Around here , one of this size & state , they'll charge 50-75 USD .
I like the look of the glass , as a semi-obsure pattern .
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I agree that it must be one large piece that was trimmed over or put behind the trim work...or they did one heck-of-a-job piecing it!
Right, it is obvious that it originally was a single piece of glass, ....... and either it still is a single piece that was edge-cut to fit the opening behind the 2 verticle stiles ..... or was cut into 3 pieces as replacements for the original clear glass.
That is not a cheap piece of glass if purchased and the window is not an expensive one, so it seems to me there is a "disconnect" there somewhere.
Maybe a glass worker brought it home and installed it in the window jam. ??? ???
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Hi all. I just got back home from Nashville and got a few more pics of the window.
Opposite side
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Type of nail found in the frame
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Close of up glass and wood together
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It is 3 pieces of glass and the nail implies 19th century.
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the nail,might be 19th century....but that wooden frame is most certainly not, it has 20th century written all over it.....i,ve looked at that nail again,and am now not convinced that it is 19th century....it looks more like a gang nail,....i.e.one that is fired from an airnailer....like the nails you get in pallet construction....
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I will have to agree with Wullie on this !! Although nail does look older I don`t think it is !! I think window is 1930 or after and was likely an old church window !! Without looking at the glass in person would be almost impossible to guess at its age but I have seen similar windows here in the south !! Mostly in small churches where stained glass was unaffordable !! If it were me I would check locally at the historical society for its origin !!
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Thanks for all of you all's thoughts. I guess I should've taken it to the Antique Archeology in Nashville :D
Seeing the pictures, and in your much more qualified opinion than my own, would selling it for $100 dollars be unfair?
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the nail,might be 19th century....but that wooden frame is most certainly not,
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I will have to agree with Wullie on this !! Although nail does look older I don`t think it is !!
A close-up picture of the heads of the nails used for holding the frame together (at each corner) should resolve the quandary.
Under the heading of …. REPLACEMENT WINDOWS … @ this link: http://www.buildingconservation.com/articles/windows/thermal.htm (http://www.buildingconservation.com/articles/windows/thermal.htm) …. you will find a diagram along with the following description, to wit:
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Typical mid-19th century casement detail: The single rebate construction and the narrow glazing bar produce finer details. Sills were usually of stone or render, as the near horizontal surface inevitably collects water and decays rapidly
Or, at this link …. http://www.dalzielbarn.com/pages/TheBarn/Windows&Doors.html (http://www.dalzielbarn.com/pages/TheBarn/Windows&Doors.html) .... you will find the following picture and notation, to wit:
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The windows themselves are from the 19th-century but not original to the structure.
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There is No quandary,....you have your opinion,and we have ours.....but from the amount of info that you are digging up.....it appears to me...that it has to be cogars way...or no way.....i can show you pics of nails that might look like they were made last century...but were in fact made yesterday....
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Who is "we"? You and Avril? :) Who got your tail feathers ruffled today?
I am leaning towards Cogar's way!!!
AS PREVIOUSLY STATED...Looks alot like the windows you would see here in the South/Mid Eastern areas of the US! Still betting from a church or "better-off-than-others" home!
Please let us know if you find out anything from the place in Nashville.
Where are you located?
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Who is "we"? You and Avril? :) Who got your tail feathers ruffled today?
I am leaning towards Cogar's way!!!
AS PREVIOUSLY STATED...Looks alot like the windows you would see here in the South/Mid Eastern areas of the US! Still betting from a church or "better-off-than-others" home!
Please let us know if you find out anything from the place in Nashville.
Where are you located?
i,m in Scotland...as if you did,nt know...as for the we....its a figure of speech....
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Who is "we"? You and Avril? :) Who got your tail feathers ruffled today?
I am leaning towards Cogar's way!!!
AS PREVIOUSLY STATED...Looks alot like the windows you would see here in the South/Mid Eastern areas of the US! Still betting from a church or "better-off-than-others" home!
Please let us know if you find out anything from the place in Nashville.
Where are you located?
I'm from West Tennessee. About a hour north east of Memphis.
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I am choking I am laughing to hard Wullie. You are a hoot!
You responded back even faster than I expected...and you didn't go "off the deep end" (a saying in the South).
A Giant Mango and a Coconut Car for you!!!
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Thanks for all of you all's thoughts. I guess I should've taken it to the Antique Archeology in Nashville :D
Seeing the pictures, and in your much more qualified opinion than my own, would selling it for $100 dollars be unfair?
Not at all unfair if someone is willing to pay it. I would find out more first. If you can date the glass...just the glass itself someone would pay that much for it!!! My neck of the woods...decorators and collectors would pay more.
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Mangoes!!....i,ve got enough mangoe,s tae last me a life time....an here,s you hittin me wi maer...and as fur the coconut...well ye.ken wit ye kin dae wi that....the wee bits get stuck in ma dentures, an i,d end up feeding it tae the wee burdies....but it was ever so nice of you to think of me along such favourable lines.... :D
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Well any one that has ever used a nail set knows that little indent in the center of the nail shown, is where you put the tip !! That makes it a newer nail to me !! Looks like someone let the claw slip when trying to remove the nail !! Flat sides when that happens, then you turn the claw and try again and if it slips you get 4 flat sides !! My Grandad tore down old houses when building work was scarce !! I had to clean many of those boards !! As for the window itself,,,the one that Cogar posted is a much older window looking at the wedge shape mullion,, the one with the glass has a flat front,, no wedge !! That makes it newer to me !! And I think it would have been hung just as the pic shows,, wouldn`t hold water since the bottom is sloped as it should be to shed water !! But as with everything here,, its just one persons opinion !!
$100. is an excellent price but do more research first. Check around town or like I said ask at the local historical society !! Chances are this was a keepsake from a church that was being torn down or remodeled !! People are good at that !!
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the question you have to ask..is..why was that nail left like that....there,s more of it out than there is in....and it serves no purpose....
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Ya'll give it up. ;D ;D
I have removed more square/cut nails from lathe, boards and timber frame original construction than the both of you have probably ever seen in your lifetime.
When I consigned a truckload of "goodies" to an auction several months back there was like 25+ lbs of pre-1882 square nails included, which was just the remainder of my original hoard.
And of course this nail had a purpose, ...........
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Ya'll give it up. ;D ;D
I have removed more square/cut nails from lathe, boards and timber frame original construction than the both of you have probably ever seen in your lifetime.
When I consigned a truckload of "goodies" to an auction several months back there was like 25+ lbs of pre-1882 square nails included, which was just the remainder of my original hoard.
And of course this nail had a purpose, ...........
I have removed more square/cut nails from lathe,boards and timber frame original construction than both of you have probably ever seen in your lifetime......Well,if thats the case....when did you find time to do anything else.....strikes me, that you,d argue black was white, and vice-versa....
Give it up you can't win
Cause I know where you been
Such a shame
It's a game that we play
At the end of the night
It's the same old story
But you never get it right
;D
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LOLOLOLOL....Wullie you didn't put the next words in. Don't think Cogar would want to "come a little closer, come a little closer, baby baby..."!
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......Well,if thats the case....when did you find the time to do anything else.....
HA, .... haven't you noticed, ...... I never contribute anything to your "lovin n' adorin" celebrity conversations.