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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: otonoh on July 09, 2013, 02:21:55 PM
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Hello all, I purchased this 30 years ago at an auction in a small town. I bought it because I loved it but have no idea what it is, I use it as a display. It is non magnetic, but doesn't appear to be spelter/pot metal. It is signed but I can't find any info on the artist. Any ideas would be appreciated
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I don't recognize the artist , but your cool little item is 'Diana/Artemis' (the huntress) - themed .
Almost looks like a sad iron trivet/rest ... could you please post measurements of it , otonoh ?
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That's what I thought Fancypants,, Iron Rest !!
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thanks for the comments, It never occured to me that it would be for an iron. the dimensions are 9 inches tall, 8 inches at the widest point. It seems strange that it would be for an iron because the design would be face down when putting down the iron. plus it doesn't have any ventilation like other antique iron stands or trivets have. The back does have sides that would hold an iron though. Wierd.
David/ aka otonoh
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Thanks for the input , otonoh .
I don't think we've nailed it yet , as to the (besides decorative) function of your item .
Could it be part of a 'desk/writing set" , or as something to nest/hold another object ?
Am curious to know if you think it may be cast from pewter , or maybe aluminum ?
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The point of a rest for an iron is to keep it from scorching the table or what ever it is put on after ironing !! And to hold it while turning or changing positions of the garment being ironed !! I think yours is German or from that area and the name is not the artist,,just the owner of the piece at some point !! I did not find a sculptor by that name or any artist !!
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thank you any idea on value, I don't want to sell it, just curious
thanks
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Yepper...these days called an iron trivet, iron rest, or resting plate...but known for years as a sad iron trivet or sad iron rest.
Many were made solid! Like said above, used to rest hot iron on and protect surface.
Gorgeous piece. Know why you were attracted to it!!!
Can't say as I have seen one as pretty as this!
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Probably under $20. !! If you look you might find something similar on ebay !! And from what I can see it looks like pot metal/spelter !! May not look like it if treated with stove black !! Stove black is a high heat resistant coloring and rust preventative usually used with wood burning stoves !!
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I would recommend contacting these people. They have been collecting/selling certain items for years. They might can help you!
http://www.antiqbuyer.com/Archive-Ironing.html (http://www.antiqbuyer.com/Archive-Ironing.html)
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Under $20 ?!
£50-80 easy at auction in the UK.
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Thanks for the input , otonoh .
I don't think we've nailed it yet , as to the (besides decorative) function of your item .
Could it be part of a 'desk/writing set" , or as something to nest/hold another object ?
Am curious to know if you think it may be cast from pewter , or maybe aluminum ?
It's a long shot, but I wonder if there was an artist in the Bohn family from Detroit? They were in the business of working with and casting of metals, including aluminum.
http://theoldmotor.com/?attachment_id=67104 (http://theoldmotor.com/?attachment_id=67104)
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If so I didn`t find it !!
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Right
There's an old Christies catalogue on Ebay which apparently has a work by a William P Bohn
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310575566103
There was also a William P Bohn studying as a senior at the Carnegie Mellon College Of Fine Arts in 1925. He was from Avalon PA.
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I would also say over $200.00 at auction here! Not because of what it is but the fact that it is a beautiful piece of Art Deco!! Deco sells high and well! :D But I would not let it go!! And I love old Auction house catalogs I have a few from Sotheby's myself!
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FYI Ph was the abbreviation for Philip! So...betting the fella's name was William Philip Bohn!!!
And found one in the cemetary search! In Illinois
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Bohn&GSfn=William&GSmn=Philip&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=46927189&df=all& (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Bohn&GSfn=William&GSmn=Philip&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=46927189&df=all&)
In this article Archives of American Art, in the collection, box 7, is a work by William P Bohn (of course doesn't show it). This is a compilation of American Artists which "including many Chicagoans".
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RSBIRYKT3TMJ:www.aaa.si.edu/collections/c-j-bulliet-papers-5443/more+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RSBIRYKT3TMJ:www.aaa.si.edu/collections/c-j-bulliet-papers-5443/more+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)
ON Ancestery.com there was only listed one William Philip Bohn,
Birth: 16 Oct 1854
Death: 26 Dec 1929
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thank you again for the comments and links. I like the $200 price better than the $20.00 I will keep researching.
David
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I hate to disagree with Wendy but I checked everywhere,,there are no prices anywhere I could find even remotely close to that figure !! Best price I found was $29.95 and no bids on anything !! Most ran around $10. !! As I told someone else,, an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay !! And from what I saw,, no one is willing to pay that kind of a price for an iron rest,,even if its different from the norm. And you can`t call it an art piece since there is no record of another being made !! As it stands you just have a pretty iron rest but worth only slightly more than another !! One of a kind is even worse since there is nothing to compare the prices to !! Sorry !!
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Most people would not be buying it as an iron rest, if that's what it is.
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Well,, since it has the same foot ridge as many other iron rests of that period, and since I measured my iron and its also 9 inches,, its just slightly wider than mine !! And since its in the shape of the bottom of an iron !!! What would your idea be ?? The predominance of the evidence would indicate to me that it is an iron rest !! But I am open to another interpretation !!
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Mart it's ok to disagree with me ;) but I agree with Ipcress they would not be buying it as an iron rest, But purely for the art deco design, That's why I think it would go so high. Like this piece a theater seat end cap, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Art-Deco-Theater-Seat-End-Heavy-Metal-Wonderful-Paint-Design-/121139290370?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c3476e102 I have seen these sell much higher.
Look at prices for metal art deco pieces not iron rests you will find much higher prices. Also the detail of the piece also has much to do with pricing.
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That one is nice enough to use for an art piece,, but two days left and no bids !! Will just have to watch it !! However I can see $200. for that easier than this one!!
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such a shame there is,nt 2 of the seat ends....although it would,nt take rocket science to cast another from this one....
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I have to agree with Mart on the value of the iron rest. Art Deco or not, in our area which is pretty Art Deco nuts, it wouldn't sell for $200 unless it was signed by someone REALLY well known or had belonged to them.
In our neck of the woods (Dallas/Fort Worth) it would go TOPS for $35. Average price $20 - $25.
I agree, such a shame there isn't a second end on that seat!
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Some of the others did have two !! Not as pretty though !! Can get some pretty good buys on Deco items now !!
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I believe I can identify the artist in question. His name is William P. Bohn. He was born 9 Feb 1903 and died 10 Aug 1932. He was the son of William M. and Edna Bohn. He married Hilda Anna Enzian on 29 Dec 1928. According to the 1930 Pittsburgh, PA his occupation was "artist - tombstones". In a hand-written letter given to me by my grandmother that was wrote by his widow "Married William P. Bohn who died at 29 -after swimming in infected Public Boro Pool - Was brilliant - Masters - 53 medals for running and broad-jump." I was told more specifically his cause of death was from spinal meningitis that manifested itself from an ear infection that he contracted at a public pool. Hilda Enzian Bohn was my grandmother's first cousin. I inherited an art-deco frosted plate, sherbet bowl and goblet set. I've included some pictures of this set. Good luck and I hope this helps. Tod Davis
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My post is not completely clear. This set was the work of William P. Bohn. Thanks. Tod Davis
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I am so glad you posted this information !! That set is absolutely stunning !! He did glass and metals ?? Can you give us info on this piece ?? Since I am not familiar with his work please tell us about his working history !! Since there was some difference of opinion here,, we would love to know more !!
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I am pretty sure this is the William P. Bohn mentioned. I am questioning now if he was the artist that created this set. Since posting this I've been looking on this type of glass nudes and found that Consolidated Glass produced the Dancing Nymphs or Dancing Nudes. I stumbled upon Antique-Shop.com site while doing genealogy. In particular, William P. Bohn. I know this individual was an artist in the Pittsburgh, PA. I think the premise of William P. Bohn being the artist of this set is family folklore? If someone knows something about the set that is pictured, please let me know. Tod Davis
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Wendy is one that might help you,,!! Is there any family history of his work ?? If its inherited,,its always possible that like the item in this post,,he may have just been the owner !! We are still not sure about the trivet or whatever it is !! But its not uncommon to find things that were owned by someone and had their name on it !!
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Maybe someone could contact the seller of the catalogue i linked to on the first page - it includes a work by William P Bohn. Would be interesting to see the style and subject matter
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310575566103 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310575566103)
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I couldn`t find his name in that jumble !!
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press ctrl and f simultaneously. A ' find ' or ' search ' box will pop up. Type in Bohn and press enter.
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I am sorry that I do not have any artist history. I was told that he was an accomplished artist. Attached is a picture of William P. Bohn and what I believe to be one of his pieces. Thanks Tod
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press ctrl and f simultaneously. A ' find ' or ' search ' box will pop up. Type in Bohn and press enter.
Tried Bohn and his full name,,,said no matches found !! I also have searched everywhere I can think of and have never found one piece of art of any kind this person did !!
Wonder why the family has none of his work ?? The trivet was possibly owned by him at some point and that's why his name is on it !! I do not think he had anything to do with the glass set other than owning it !! If he had there would be some record of his accomplishments somewhere and sadly I found none !!
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I think the artist was from Iowa.
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press ctrl and f simultaneously. A ' find ' or ' search ' box will pop up. Type in Bohn and press enter.
Tried Bohn and his full name,,,said no matches found !! I also have searched everywhere I can think of and have never found one piece of art of any kind this person did !!
Wonder why the family has none of his work ?? The trivet was possibly owned by him at some point and that's why his name is on it !! I do not think he had anything to do with the glass set other than owning it !! If he had there would be some record of his accomplishments somewhere and sadly I found none !!
7th line up from the base of the largest section of text. William P. Bohn is how it's been typed.
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I sent a question to the person listing the book and asked if he could tell us the place where the one in the book was born and his age at death. We will see if its the same one !!
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The ebay seller on Ipcress link will not help at all !!
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Thanks for everyones help. As I stated previously, I stumbled upon this site while looking for genealogical information on William P. Bohn. I became interested in this query because I thought I had a piece of William's artwork. I've concluded now that he probably was just the owner. In a previous post on this thread it was stated:
"There was also a William P Bohn studying as a senior at the Carnegie Mellon College Of Fine Arts in 1925. He was from Avalon PA."
The William P. Bohn that I'm interested in appears on the 1920 census in Avalon, PA. I will make the assumption that this is the same William P. Bohn that I'm researching. Family folklore indicates William P. Bohn was an accomplished artist? Does he have any pieces of his works out there? The photograph of William I posted previously includes a sculpture that I'll have to assume was his work? The 1930 census has William's occupation as "artist - tombstone". Well the jury will have to remain out if William was the creator of this trivet? For now it will have to be speculation. Maybe this thread will bring out some info. Thanks again.
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I ran into another bit of info yesterday,, A William P. Bohn was mentioned in the papers of a Clarence Joseph Bulliet (1888-1959) !! They are in the archives at the Smithsonian, box 7 folder 8 of the Bulliet papers!! Evidently this Bulliet was big into the arts !! Might have the info online but I didn`t go through it all !!
I couldn`t see what the sculpture was,,looked like an old fashion artist easel to me !! You are talking about the tripod item aren`t you ??
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Bust of a dog. I am assuming the one he is with? Thanks.
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CJ Bulliet papers, circa 1888-1959 - Archives of American Art ...
www.aaa.si.edu › Research Collections › B › CJ Bulliet papersThe records contain extensive information about art and artists in Chicago and the Midwest from the early to ...... 7, 8, Bohn, William P., circa 1888-1959.
Found this in google search.