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Title: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 02, 2013, 08:19:28 PM
 This is my  last time with the pics if I cant hit on this one  lol. I just bought it at the auction a while ago. I found the pic on the computer but that's all. I'd like to know the value. The back says Madison ave. nyc. I forgot to take a pic of it. If this one isn't worth the paper its printed on im going to line all my pics next to the fence and put a $3.00 tag on all of them.  lol As many blunders I've made ,I should come up with about $50.00 for all, which is a lot of pics. Well here goes. PLEASE give me good news on this one :)That's the light shining on the picture.
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: mart on August 02, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
Just curious but are you buying all these to resell ??   Whats the purpose ??  You seem very disappointed that the others were not worth much ??  Maybe if we know what you are trying to accomplish we can help !!
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 02, 2013, 08:54:18 PM
Just curious but are you buying all these to resell ??   Whats the purpose ??  You seem very disappointed that the others were not worth much ??  Maybe if we know what you are trying to accomplish we can help !!
I just don't want a lot of cheap worthless pictures.  When my bfs mom died she had 2 very old pics on her wall. The family had them checked out since she had them for so long and they were both worth a pretty penny. It just got me into buying them now to see if I could do that. We have the pics hanging on our wall now and wouldn't sell them for anything. But it seems like I keep getting duds  lol,  Guess I need another hobby because this one sure isn't working out for me. That's really the only reason.By fall i'll probably just take them to the good will or somewhere. I would just like to see if I could make money off them also, im not saying I would but i'd like to say that I could especially to those who keep telling me im just wasting my money on them and will never find an expensive one.  ;D
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: mart on August 02, 2013, 09:14:01 PM
Prices of artwork that are within most peoples budget will go up and down like the stockmarket !!  Rarely do the prices stay stable !!  You trying to luck into a good one without knowing a few basics would be unlikely !!
You may have done better on this last one !!  Soyers worked in lower east side of NY so the label on back would fit !! Looks like an etching but,, could also be a less expensive print !!  Can`t tell much from your pics !! Don`t guess its numbered anywhere ??  Also what size is it ??
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 02, 2013, 09:22:53 PM
Prices of artwork that are within most peoples budget will go up and down like the stockmarket !!  Rarely do the prices stay stable !!  You trying to luck into a good one without knowing a few basics would be unlikely !!
You may have done better on this last one !!  Soyers worked in lower east side of NY so the label on back would fit !! Looks like an etching but,, could also be a less expensive print !!  Can`t tell much from your pics !! Don`t guess its numbered anywhere ??  Also what size is it ??Its 19 by 16 or vice versa.  the number is 5545.  
now I just found 2 on ebay  although I don't put a lot of trust in them. One wanted $48 another asking $100. That's why I don't put a lot of trust in them. They just say what they want, not what they are worth.
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: Ipcress on August 03, 2013, 06:31:59 AM
Just curious but are you buying all these to resell ??   Whats the purpose ??  You seem very disappointed that the others were not worth much ??  Maybe if we know what you are trying to accomplish we can help !!
I just don't want a lot of cheap worthless pictures.  When my bfs mom died she had 2 very old pics on her wall. The family had them checked out since she had them for so long and they were both worth a pretty penny. It just got me into buying them now to see if I could do that. We have the pics hanging on our wall now and wouldn't sell them for anything. But it seems like I keep getting duds  lol,  Guess I need another hobby because this one sure isn't working out for me. That's really the only reason.By fall i'll probably just take them to the good will or somewhere. I would just like to see if I could make money off them also, im not saying I would but i'd like to say that I could especially to those who keep telling me im just wasting my money on them and will never find an expensive one.  ;D

What style of pictures are they ? ( on the wall )
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 03, 2013, 07:13:22 AM
Just curious but are you buying all these to resell ??   Whats the purpose ??  You seem very disappointed that the others were not worth much ??  Maybe if we know what you are trying to accomplish we can help !!
I just don't want a lot of cheap worthless pictures.  When my bfs mom died she had 2 very old pics on her wall. The family had them checked out since she had them for so long and they were both worth a pretty penny. It just got me into buying them now to see if I could do that. We have the pics hanging on our wall now and wouldn't sell them for anything. But it seems like I keep getting duds  lol,  Guess I need another hobby because this one sure isn't working out for me. That's really the only reason.By fall i'll probably just take them to the good will or somewhere. I would just like to see if I could make money off them also, im not saying I would but i'd like to say that I could especially to those who keep telling me im just wasting my money on them and will never find an expensive one.  ;D

What style of pictures are they ? ( on the wall )
One is signed by M Gernand  dated 1956. under the signature. Its a vase of flowers with a small stutue of an Asian lady I believe.  The other is a huge, huge one of horses. I believe its signed by Winters. I cant make the first name out right now. We have cathedral ceilings so I have to get a ladder to look for sure.  I will when I get back. I have to go get a load of cow feed right now.
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: mart on August 03, 2013, 08:50:59 AM
While you are at it,, get me a load of horse feed !! :D
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 03, 2013, 10:25:11 AM
While you are at it,, get me a load of horse feed !! :D
:D
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 03, 2013, 10:26:15 AM
Just curious but are you buying all these to resell ??   Whats the purpose ??  You seem very disappointed that the others were not worth much ??  Maybe if we know what you are trying to accomplish we can help !!
I just don't want a lot of cheap worthless pictures.  When my bfs mom died she had 2 very old pics on her wall. The family had them checked out since she had them for so long and they were both worth a pretty penny. It just got me into buying them now to see if I could do that. We have the pics hanging on our wall now and wouldn't sell them for anything. But it seems like I keep getting duds  lol,  Guess I need another hobby because this one sure isn't working out for me. That's really the only reason.By fall i'll probably just take them to the good will or somewhere. I would just like to see if I could make money off them also, im not saying I would but i'd like to say that I could especially to those who keep telling me im just wasting my money on them and will never find an expensive one.  ;D

What style of pictures are they ? ( on the wall )
One is signed by M Gernand  dated 1956. under the signature. Its a vase of flowers with a small stutue of an Asian lady I believe.  The other is a huge, huge one of horses. I believe its signed by Winters. I cant make the first name out right now. We have cathedral ceilings so I have to get a ladder to look for sure.  I will when I get back. I have to go get a load of cow feed right now.
The name is Lumen
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 03, 2013, 10:28:12 AM
Just curious but are you buying all these to resell ??   Whats the purpose ??  You seem very disappointed that the others were not worth much ??  Maybe if we know what you are trying to accomplish we can help !!
I just don't want a lot of cheap worthless pictures.  When my bfs mom died she had 2 very old pics on her wall. The family had them checked out since she had them for so long and they were both worth a pretty penny. It just got me into buying them now to see if I could do that. We have the pics hanging on our wall now and wouldn't sell them for anything. But it seems like I keep getting duds  lol,  Guess I need another hobby because this one sure isn't working out for me. That's really the only reason.By fall i'll probably just take them to the good will or somewhere. I would just like to see if I could make money off them also, im not saying I would but i'd like to say that I could especially to those who keep telling me im just wasting my money on them and will never find an expensive one.  ;D

What style of pictures are they ? ( on the wall )
One is signed by M Gernand  dated 1956. under the signature. Its a vase of flowers with a small stutue of an Asian lady I believe.  The other is a huge, huge one of horses. I believe its signed by Winters. I cant make the first name out right now. We have cathedral ceilings so I have to get a ladder to look for sure.  I will when I get back. I have to go get a load of cow feed right now.
The name is Lumen
I don't know the price of them but my bf sister said they weren't cheap.What ever cheap is to her.But they are sentimental regardless.
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: mart on August 03, 2013, 11:05:58 AM
Are they prints or original artwork ??
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: bigwull on August 03, 2013, 11:06:35 AM
While you are at it,, get me a load of horse feed !! :D
i,can get you tons of what comes out of their. arse.....good for the garden i hear.... ;D
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: mart on August 03, 2013, 11:28:25 AM
With six horses I have plenty of that !!
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: bigwull on August 03, 2013, 11:37:52 AM
With six horses I have plenty of that !!
you can never have enough horse shit....just think of all those extra toms.... ;D
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: Ipcress on August 03, 2013, 12:14:42 PM
Just curious but are you buying all these to resell ??   Whats the purpose ??  You seem very disappointed that the others were not worth much ??  Maybe if we know what you are trying to accomplish we can help !!
I just don't want a lot of cheap worthless pictures.  When my bfs mom died she had 2 very old pics on her wall. The family had them checked out since she had them for so long and they were both worth a pretty penny. It just got me into buying them now to see if I could do that. We have the pics hanging on our wall now and wouldn't sell them for anything. But it seems like I keep getting duds  lol,  Guess I need another hobby because this one sure isn't working out for me. That's really the only reason.By fall i'll probably just take them to the good will or somewhere. I would just like to see if I could make money off them also, im not saying I would but i'd like to say that I could especially to those who keep telling me im just wasting my money on them and will never find an expensive one.  ;D

What style of pictures are they ? ( on the wall )
One is signed by M Gernand  dated 1956. under the signature. Its a vase of flowers with a small stutue of an Asian lady I believe.  The other is a huge, huge one of horses. I believe its signed by Winters. I cant make the first name out right now. We have cathedral ceilings so I have to get a ladder to look for sure.  I will when I get back. I have to go get a load of cow feed right now.
The name is Lumen

So both Muriel Gernand and Lumen Winter can go for a couple of thousand

My point was that you should study them, look at them in a good light and see the paint on the canvas. If they aren't glazed, place glass over them and see how the medium ( oil, watercolour, acrylic etc ) looks under glass. Then when you're out buying these you can make a more informed opinion.
Also the condition of those you posted the other day was poor. They'd have to be worth tens of thousands to retain value in that condition.

And generally still lifes are difficult to sell. Standard prints are also difficult to sell.
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 03, 2013, 02:01:33 PM
Just curious but are you buying all these to resell ??   Whats the purpose ??  You seem very disappointed that the others were not worth much ??  Maybe if we know what you are trying to accomplish we can help !!
I just don't want a lot of cheap worthless pictures.  When my bfs mom died she had 2 very old pics on her wall. The family had them checked out since she had them for so long and they were both worth a pretty penny. It just got me into buying them now to see if I could do that. We have the pics hanging on our wall now and wouldn't sell them for anything. But it seems like I keep getting duds  lol,  Guess I need another hobby because this one sure isn't working out for me. That's really the only reason.By fall i'll probably just take them to the good will or somewhere. I would just like to see if I could make money off them also, im not saying I would but i'd like to say that I could especially to those who keep telling me im just wasting my money on them and will never find an expensive one.  ;D

What style of pictures are they ? ( on the wall )
One is signed by M Gernand  dated 1956. under the signature. Its a vase of flowers with a small stutue of an Asian lady I believe.  The other is a huge, huge one of horses. I believe its signed by Winters. I cant make the first name out right now. We have cathedral ceilings so I have to get a ladder to look for sure.  I will when I get back. I have to go get a load of cow feed right now.
The name is Lumen

So both Muriel Gernand and Lumen Winter can go for a couple of thousand

My point was that you should study them, look at them in a good light and see the paint on the canvas. If they aren't glazed, place glass over them and see how the medium ( oil, watercolour, acrylic etc ) looks under glass. Then when you're out buying these you can make a more informed opinion.
Also the condition of those you posted the other day was poor. They'd have to be worth tens of thousands to retain value in that condition.

And generally still lifes are difficult to sell. Standard prints are also difficult to sell.
Thank you for the info.  :)
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: mart on August 03, 2013, 02:27:50 PM
Prices of artwork that are within most peoples budget will go up and down like the stockmarket !!  Rarely do the prices stay stable !!  You trying to luck into a good one without knowing a few basics would be unlikely !!
You may have done better on this last one !!  Soyers worked in lower east side of NY so the label on back would fit !! Looks like an etching but,, could also be a less expensive print !!  Can`t tell much from your pics !! Don`t guess its numbered anywhere ??  Also what size is it ??Its 19 by 16 or vice versa.  the number is 5545.  
now I just found 2 on ebay  although I don't put a lot of trust in them. One wanted $48 another asking $100. That's why I don't put a lot of trust in them. They just say what they want, not what they are worth.

Soyers etchings were quite small so likely this is a print  from an etching !! 
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 03, 2013, 02:41:01 PM
Prices of artwork that are within most peoples budget will go up and down like the stockmarket !!  Rarely do the prices stay stable !!  You trying to luck into a good one without knowing a few basics would be unlikely !!
You may have done better on this last one !!  Soyers worked in lower east side of NY so the label on back would fit !! Looks like an etching but,, could also be a less expensive print !!  Can`t tell much from your pics !! Don`t guess its numbered anywhere ??  Also what size is it ??Its 19 by 16 or vice versa.  the number is 5545.  
now I just found 2 on ebay  although I don't put a lot of trust in them. One wanted $48 another asking $100. That's why I don't put a lot of trust in them. They just say what they want, not what they are worth.

Soyers etchings were quite small so likely this is a print  from an etching !! 
Thank you, I guess I learn as I go along.  Just figured the difference between a print or a original. I thought I saw something on storage wars once when they said you had a little yellow dot on the top if it was a print. Guess I heard wrong ;D
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: mart on August 03, 2013, 03:56:20 PM
Don`t believe all you hear on TV !!  How much did you pay for that Soyers pic ??
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 03, 2013, 04:00:30 PM
Don`t believe all you hear on TV !!  How much did you pay for that Soyers pic ??
He asked 10  I knocked him down to 6 ;D
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 03, 2013, 04:03:19 PM
Don`t believe all you hear on TV !!  How much did you pay for that Soyers pic ??
He asked 10  I knocked him down to 6 ;D
does the size matter since I knocked it down a little? I just thought I had to measure frame and all, not just the pic.See he has a rm in the back that you can offer him for what you want. But the big rm is just for auction that belongs to another fellow
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: mart on August 03, 2013, 04:20:01 PM
No !!  When measuring artwork the frame doesn`t count !!  Frame is not part of the art itself !! Measure art only and tell me what it is ??
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 03, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
No !!  When measuring artwork the frame doesn`t count !!  Frame is not part of the art itself !! Measure art only and tell me what it is ??
looks like 9x11 or vice versa.
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: mart on August 03, 2013, 05:34:17 PM
Little number is always first,,5x7,,8x10,,11x14,,16x20  ect !!
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: mart on August 03, 2013, 05:45:08 PM
http://www.rogallery.com/Soyer_Raphael/soyer-embrace.html

Here is a limited edition of his,,nicely framed,, signed and numbered in pencil as it should be !!  Keep that back piece with the pic that is from NY !!  It will help sell it if you decide to !!  Havent seen that type signature on anything yet !!  Do you know the name of this one ??
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 03, 2013, 05:48:29 PM
Little number is always first,,5x7,,8x10,,11x14,,16x20  ect !!
So mine is still a little to big I guess. Well thanks for trying. :)
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 03, 2013, 07:00:40 PM
http://www.rogallery.com/Soyer_Raphael/soyer-embrace.html

Here is a limited edition of his,,nicely framed,, signed and numbered in pencil as it should be !!  Keep that back piece with the pic that is from NY !!  It will help sell it if you decide to !!  Havent seen that type signature on anything yet !!  Do you know the name of this one ??
Yes its called woman with child on lap.But I don't see a number on the front of mine.Just the one on the back,and its pretty big.I'll check it out more. Thank you again
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: mart on August 03, 2013, 07:13:24 PM
I  did not say that !!  Did you look at the size on the link I gave ?? Some of his limited edition prints were larger so may have others larger !! Need to find that signature style !!  Even if its just a regular print of his etching you can make money on it !!  You may not get rich but a steady profit is good too !! You paid $6.,, with that back piece you may make $30. to $60. in the right market !!  
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: mart on August 03, 2013, 07:25:23 PM
http://www.artfact.com/artist/soyer-raphael-0vdw8tl8yo/sold-at-auction-prices/

Scroll down here to lot #64 !!  That's your pic !! Its 8 1/2 X 11 not 9x11 !!  Same signature on left !!  Maybe Bigwull will look and see what it sold for or if it sold !!
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 03, 2013, 07:33:21 PM
I  did not say that !!  Did you look at the size on the link I gave ?? Some of his limited edition prints were larger so may have others larger !! Need to find that signature style !!  Even if its just a regular print of his etching you can make money on it !!  You may not get rich but a steady profit is good too !! You paid $6.,, with that back piece you may make $30. to $60. in the right market !!  
Oh yes I see now.Mine is not the same signature style. Yes I will keep the paper on the back. Im sure I can make a few bucks on it one day if I wanted. I have pics all over this house I bought at auctions or yard sales, in the closets, behind dressers etc. I know they are worth a little more than I paid for them but not much, maybe 25 to 30 more. I just want to prove to my friends GODS will i'll hit the jack box one day ;D With what you all have taught me today, i'll be more alert of what im looking for instead bringing in more to stash lol. Thanks again :)
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: mart on August 03, 2013, 07:39:13 PM
Read the other post !!
Title: Re: raphael soyer
Post by: shakesgirl on August 03, 2013, 08:19:40 PM
http://www.artfact.com/artist/soyer-raphael-0vdw8tl8yo/sold-at-auction-prices/

Scroll down here to lot #64 !!  That's your pic !! Its 8 1/2 X 11 not 9x11 !!  Same signature on left !!  Maybe Bigwull will look and see what it sold for or if it sold !!
Yes that's it, but it said realized price 35  but I believe it sold between 100 to 200. I just understand the realized part. I do like the pic,i've always like etching.