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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: greenacres on August 18, 2013, 03:09:23 PM
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I took some pictures today at my friend Merv's apt. I Wasn't sure what to call it. Merv explained that it is carved and not just painted. I took pictures from all angles. First what would you call this? Second age and then value. I more curios about the background.
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More angles
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This tablet is makes it hard to resize the photos.
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More .....
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More ... is that an R.A. at the bottom?
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Mart this is the item I was telling you about.
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Size ?? Bottom pic ?? Figured it might be !!
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If it's as large as I think.......could it be a garden stool/seat ?
http://ancientpoint.com/inf/59913-antique_important_chinese_asian_rose_medallion_garden_seat_stool.html
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I think it's about two and a half feet. He says he bought it from a dealer closing up shop. He got a good price. What year that was I don't know. It's heavy.
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Does it have a lid ?? Or open top ?? Hard to tell !!
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The top is the second photo. Is it a table? He keeps nothing on it. He says he really doesn't know.
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greenacres......... .go back 4 posts ;)
Some examples.....old and new......
http://images.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1220&bih=668&q=asian+porcelain+garden+stool&oq=asian+porcelain+garden+stool&gs_l=img.3...1477.7734.0.8304.28.9.0.19.0.1.258.872.2j3j1.6.0....0...1ac.1.25.img..24.4.431.hgVA1T0d5hE
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Lol, thanks sapphire, now I know. Do these go by maker?
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Good question.......I'm just a google-er ;) I would imagine many the good 'old' ones came from specific makers. Of course with today's repros.......whoeve r can churn them out.
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The name I'm interested in http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/10185737/Rare-200-year-old-Chinese-vases-discovered.html
It looked like the same artist.
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Wow! beautiful vases! Would love to see larger pics of them showing their detail.
Here's a little blurb on the history of the garden stool......
http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/quick-history-chinese-garden-s-128824
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Interesting sapphire. I've been looking at the Qing Dynasty Google images. This what the first article was dicussing so I figured I check it out. He has chinese lanterns that look from that time period. He's giving them to someone so he doesn't care what the value is.
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Found a bit larger picture. Tried playing with it to bring out more detail.
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Also noticed that the term Famille Rose comes up quite a bit in titles/descriptions.
Here's a beautiful example attributed to the 19th century. (Sold for $2400)
http://www.antiquereader.com/s-16-lot-274-19th-c-chinese-famille-rose-garden-stool-est-1300-1800/
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Just found this. http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/17036584_chinese-qing-dynasty-garden-stool
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They are beautiful aren't they sapphire?
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http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/18451/lot/232/
Or do you think these are closer?
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Just found this. http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/17036584_chinese-qing-dynasty-garden-stool
I came across that one.....lot passed. Was curious why when the estimate for sale was quite 'nice'. Comparing the base on that with the shot you have of your friend's.........his appears aged, while the one up for auction looked much newer. Also the detail on your friend's is more delicate, intricate and 'life oriented'.....as opposed to the bright, ornate overall floral on the listed stool.
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Wow, those ones are tiny compared to many others! Not quite 10" high. 'Yours' has more textural detail and I wonder what the significance of the cut out design is and singular or double? Fascinating pieces, especially when think about the detail and it's connection to their beliefs/religion.
Noticed the reference to the eight symbols of buddhism, so did a little searching (curiosity is a curse :D) and came up with this neat reference. You should do a 'search' of your friend's piece to see if these show up in the detail.
http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/history/b8symbol.htm
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Got a lot more image hits using the terms - famille rose garden stool qing- Maybe something in there will stand out ;)
http://images.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1220&bih=668&q=famille+rose+garden+stool+qing&oq=famille+rose+garden+stool+qing&gs_l=img.3...5944.12413.0.12765.30.11.0.19.3.0.121.1097.7j4.11.0....0...1ac.1.25.img..17.13.1015.XztMbrRYKh0
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This vase is extremely heavy isn`t it ?? They are not at all alike !! I am afraid the one Merv has is a reproduction and not all that old !! The vases in your link are porcelain,, that is a light color,white or off white base,, Mervs is a concrete gray and not even glazed on the rim !! You will not find bleeding paint on Chinese vases and the only thing carved looks like the holes that are in it !! Artwork when I enlarged the pics was very poorly done !! Chinese and Japanese artists are perfectionists !! I think he got taken on this one !!
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As I magnified the art work some of the decoration are vegetables. Thanks for your help sapphire. It's funny I thought they were lotus. Lol, I was looking for things in the chart as you suggested. You start seeing all kinds of things! ;D
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It's called brushed paint. If you see it in person there are grooves around the the art work. He explained the fakes are just painted. He said his isn't paint, but I can't understand that. There is a texture to the pottery.
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Old or not so old ..........it's still beautiful! Sure wouldn't mind it sitting in my bedroom alongside all my 'looks old' oriental stuff.
I have the weird combination of loving Victorian era furniture and asian/east indian artwork..........al ong with a sad lack of knowledge of any of them :D
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It's so complicated. It would have easier if they wrote in enlish! ;D
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The name I'm interested in http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/10185737/Rare-200-year-old-Chinese-vases-discovered.html
It looked like the same artist.
You could say the same for Kakiemon or Satsuma pieces. Many of the look very similar but there were many makers.
This doesn't look particularly old ( in Oriental terms )
The link for the passed lot - well that's a joke of a description and estimate. It's so obviously modern. Those peaches !!!!???!!
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;D ;D peaches!!!
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Just seen this by the same auctioneer
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/17257382_chinese-red-under-glaze-imperial-kangxi-water-coup (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/17257382_chinese-red-under-glaze-imperial-kangxi-water-coup)
$300,000 !!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Has he been using the gavel on his head ?
Ridiculous.
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;D ;D what would be the true value? $2, 000.-$3, 000. Sounds fair to me for that size vase. I guess that's why no one bought the whole lot. :)There's absucker born every minute they say. In this case the suckers stayed home! ;D
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$2 to $3 is more likely. It's not Kangxi.
They obviously don't have a clue
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You have to be so careful if your spending a lot of money. How can you get a guaranteed your getting what they say your getting without a hands on inspection and real appraisal of an item?
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Respected auction houses, good clear images, descriptions that don't feature the term " very nice " ;D
The one linked to has a PO Box for an address ;D
I think it was an individual who had some items and set up a live auction.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/17257380_chinese-qing-yongzhen-imperial-red-under-glaze-bowl
$200,000 !!!
All modern or faked so either he didn't know or was trying it on.