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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: capot1948 on August 27, 2013, 03:21:09 PM
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This is on a Wilcox Silver Plate Coffee set. Trying to identify the bird. I thought it was a woodpecker (because of the long beak), someone on another site thinks it's a Road Runner. Thought I'd better come to the experts to get the answer.
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Chris
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do road-runners usually climb trees,or bushes....looks like a woodpecker.ish burd tae me.... :D.
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Well, they do next in low trees according to Wikipedia, however I thought it looked like a Pileated Woodpecker but what would either be doing on a coffee set? Sure wish I could come up with old silver plate catalogs for these manufacturers.
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Its head is more like a woodpecker,, body is similar to roadrunner !! Wrong habitat for either one !! Roadrunners are meat eaters,, they would not be in a place like that unless hunting !! Body is wrong for most woodpecker species !! Their tails are not long !! Who made this piece ??
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Wilcox, here's the Makers Mark Mart:
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Didn`t you download a catalogue from Wilcox ?? Have you looked in it ??
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having looked at this burdy again....i,m going to say it looks different from a pecker....so, i,ll hedge my bets and call it a roadpecker.....
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Yes I did Mart, however that pattern is not shown.
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It may not be a particular bird but like the Japanese did at times ,,just a imaginary bird with no particular species !! Its a bird for arts sake only because it has a beak,feathers and wings !!
We had a roadrunner a few years back and Pedro would have been mortified at that depiction of himself !! When he built a nest on my window sill and laid two eggs we figured it wasn`t a "Pedro" but the name stuck and he/she knew it so she stayed Pedro !! She died of old age we assume,,sitting in the garage watching for field mice !!
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That could be true also Mart, which it probably is just an imaginary bird to make it look pretty and fancy. We've got a pair of Red Belly Woodpeckers that hang around, we call them Woody and Woodette. They love to steal peanuts from the squirrel feeder when I fill it up.
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I miss having Pedro around !! I kept a mouse trap in the feed room for the occasional mouse and when I caught one I tossed it to Pedro and it was down the hatch in a second !! Never thought about a roadrunner being a carnivore till we had her !! Bought her chicken gizzards when no mice available !! Tried chicken liver once and she looked like,,you expect me to eat that ?? Watching her walk around in the yard with two pit bulls for friends was odd to some people !!
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I would have loved to have seen that Mart. It's odd how we can tame some wild creatures just be being nice to them. The woodpeckers will sit in the tree and yell at me until I put the food out, same with the squirrels, they'll sit on the tree limbs and just chatter away at me. Though this year they got me a little mad, guess I wasn't feeding them enough as they decided our ripe tomatoes were a better treat then peanuts.
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I believe it is also an "artistic" bird.
Mart, we used to have roadrunners everywhere. Now that all is built up around us we only see them occasionally. They would come over the top of our 7' fence like it was nothing. They sure help with the mouse population!
I would have loved to have watched the nest! Did they hatch successfully?
Beep Beep!!!
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I was thinking that roadrunners will kill snakes and eat them.
But the bird in question has wings displayed like a hawk or falcon, a crest like some woodpeckers and dozens of other birds, a bill like a seed, nectar, insect or aquatic feeder …… so maybe it’s a “Platypus” bird. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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It looks tropical!
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I believe it is also an "artistic" bird.
Mart, we used to have roadrunners everywhere. Now that all is built up around us we only see them occasionally. They would come over the top of our 7' fence like it was nothing. They sure help with the mouse population!
I would have loved to have watched the nest! Did they hatch successfully?
Beep Beep!!!
No they didn`t hatch !! Was no male around so we assumed they were not fertile !! And we think Pedro was an old bird so that may have played a part too !! She built her nest on my bedroom window sill and it was interesting watching her place the sticks and twigs !! At one point it was a little big and started to sag so I slid a flat metal grate under it and into the window edge then closed the window to support it !! She was a happy bird !!
You really should have seen peoples faces when I called Pedro and here comes a roadrunner around the corner of the house !! Odd thing was she was never particularly leary of people or at least not us or the dogs !!
I guess after I tossed her that first mouse she decided this was a pretty nice retirement home !! I just found her sitting in the back of the garage dead one day. She was here about a year and a half !!
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It does look like a mixture of several birds. The picture below was taken in our front yard the middle of last month. It's only about 25ft from where my wife stood on the porch to where they were standing. The whole town has deer running around most all the time ever since builders started destroying their habitat to build new houses they come into town looking for food and water. This is just about an every night scene and don't believe when they say a plant is 'deer proof' there is no such thing.
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My horses keep extra wildlife out of the pasture except coyotes,,dogs keep them out of the yard !! We don`t have the pit bulls anymore,,Ditto got hit by a car and Eve had cancer !! Now we have hunting type dogs !! A lab and a lab cross and a Scottish deerhound !!
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Love it deer, roadrunners, coyotes! We have coyotes, deer and lately a lot of bears running around on main roads & in yards, back decks & such. We have a much loved coonhound Franklin Theodore that keeps watch on us and our yard :) As far as the bird it kind of resembles a blue heron.
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Hmm, that could be. I'll have to find a picture and compare them.
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I was thinking heron too, but have yet to find a picture of one with that elongated tail.
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Herons nor egrets have long tails !! Legs are not long enough for those and again,, wrong habitat !!
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If it weren't for the longer beak it does resembles the Chinese mythical Fenghuang or Phoenix.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenghuang
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Well, its closer to that one than any North American bird I can think of !!
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True, I've gone and posted a photo to the Cornell Lab of Ornithology to see if we can get any answers. Did get one to call an antique dealer in New York, More and More Antiques except they only have a phone number, no email so I can't send a photo.
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Sapphire, Mart, just looked at some photos of a Phoenix, that does seem to fit the profile and might go along with the theme of this set.
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Why are you spending so much time trying to identify the bird ?
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for that Ip, you get a cookie..... ;D
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I'm curious as to what it is on this set. I'll just let it go then and end the thread.
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I'm curious as to what it is on this set. I'll just let it go then and end the thread.
Point being that it could be copying the Oriental style with peony and fenghuang. It could be sticks, berries and a woodpecker. More likely you'll never know and it doesn't really affect the value or history of the item
Wasn't being rude !
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You're right, and I know you weren't being rude, I'd just gotten up and was still on my first cup of coffee so I was a little 'touchy'. After a couple of cups of coffee I do see your point and unless I do find a Wilcox catalog with that pattern in it I'll never know.
Chris
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Just natural curiosity when something doesn`t fit !! I have spent days looking for stuff like that !! Drives me nuts when I can`t find something !!
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Good Question Ipcress! And I agree it wasn't being rude. We al have different motives for trying to find out information about our items.
capot1948, I have found a few other Wilcox items that are being identified as Herons as well. It does go along with the time period and what was popular at the time.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Wilcox-Silverplate-Co-Quadruple-Silver-Plate-Baby-Cup-1346-Heron-Birds-/181186962991?pt=Antiques_Silver&hash=item2a2f95a62f (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Wilcox-Silverplate-Co-Quadruple-Silver-Plate-Baby-Cup-1346-Heron-Birds-/181186962991?pt=Antiques_Silver&hash=item2a2f95a62f)
http://www.amazon.com/Caddy-Wilcox-Silver-Plate-Silverplate/dp/B002ROHHE4 (http://www.amazon.com/Caddy-Wilcox-Silver-Plate-Silverplate/dp/B002ROHHE4)
A good article for you to ponder - do bleieve yours is from the early to mid 1900's
ww.ehow.com/how_4729109_recognize-era-antique-silver-plate.html (http://ww.ehow.com/how_4729109_recognize-era-antique-silver-plate.html)
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Its always possible that the artist just didn`t know about the subject bird !!
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KC, that link you sent me for the baby cup is exactly the same bird. In the 3rd photo showing a closeup is the same one on my set. Looks like question solved. It's a Heron. Thanks to all who helped me on this and I do apologize if I sounded rude this morning.
Chris
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That's someone on Ebay calling them heron birds. There are people on ebay crazy enough to call a dog a giraffe.
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Chris that's the joy of our society and only having typed words! Things can come off harsh/rude when they are meant to be...and other times when they are meant to be they don't! LOLOL
Glad could be of help! I think it is supposed to be a crane (good luck symbol) but it is often called a Heron! Whatever...it appears to be a bird! :)
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How true KC. Yes, it's a bird, don't know why I became obsessed with it. Maybe out of boredom who knows. Anyway, for those of you who live in Texas we went to Salado today to the Salado Creek Antiques store. My gosh, wish we had a huge house they have so much beautiful antique furniture there and of course other antiques as well. We actually did find a few things that fit into our budget though and the folks there are so nice and friendly and knowledgeable.
Chris
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You will have to post some pics of your finds !!
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I'll do that Mart, my wife got too much sun or something today and got a splitting headache so nothing has been unwrapped yet. I'll post photos tomorrow.
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Excellent !! Will look for them !!
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I'm curious as to what it is on this set. I'll just let it go then and end the thread.
don,t throw all yer toys out of the pram.....i did it last week....and am buggered if i can find them all.... :D
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Love going to Salado. Haven't been there awhile...since my brother is no longer at Fort Hood we don't go that way as often. My family always loved to eat at the Stagecoach Inn! Jealous!!!!!
Can't wait to see your finds!
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Love going to Salado. Haven't been there awhile...since my brother is no longer at Fort Hood we don't go that way as often. My family always loved to eat at the Stagecoach Inn! Jealous!!!!!
Can't wait to see your finds!
If you go through Clifton to get there,, my brother has a BBQ restaurant if you like that kind of Texas cuisine !!
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Oohhhh...would love to know and go there!!!! That would be so weird to go and meet him but have never met you! LOLOL
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As soon as I download the photos I'll post them to a new thread, Salado, Tx finds.