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Title: Bayonet
Post by: valhom on August 29, 2013, 03:25:31 PM
Hi guys, I have a bayonet here. I have no idea what war it came from or origin of country. Could you possibly help me out? Thank you. :)
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: Ipcress on August 29, 2013, 03:41:45 PM
What's the mark on the ricasso - that's the flat part of the blade before the hilt / grip ?

I think it's a Mauser
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: valhom on August 29, 2013, 04:09:11 PM
What's the mark on the ricasso - that's the flat part of the blade before the hilt / grip ?

I think it's a Mauser

I don't see any mark
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: Ipcress on August 29, 2013, 04:29:00 PM
What's the mark on the ricasso - that's the flat part of the blade before the hilt / grip ?

I think it's a Mauser

I don't see any mark

There usually is one.

e.g   http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/Bayonet_Ricasso.jpg (http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/Bayonet_Ricasso.jpg)
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: padanova on August 29, 2013, 05:35:08 PM
I'm positive its an Yugoslavian M1924 Mauser long bayonet.
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: Ipcress on August 29, 2013, 05:40:59 PM
Yeah, they look like the Czech M98's
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: Rauville on August 29, 2013, 05:44:52 PM
I would agree with Ipcress, and padanova... it would most likely be for a Czechoslovakian Mauser. Probably made for export.

Compare the dimensions with the VZ-23/24 models here.
 http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identification_Guide/Czechoslovakia/Czechoslovakia_2.html
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: mart on August 29, 2013, 07:59:27 PM
  Had to give Padanova his first karma point for being on top of that one !! 
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: bigwull on August 29, 2013, 09:37:20 PM
sometimes words fail me.....
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: Ipcress on August 30, 2013, 01:34:41 AM
  Had to give Padanova his first karma point for being on top of that one !! 

Except that's its slightly different, probably Czech, but what's a karma point between friends ?!  ;D
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: padanova on August 30, 2013, 03:19:07 AM
Yes, it might be so...I'm Croatian and I've seen lots of these kinds here. Yugoslavians copied Czechs with the same bayonet for Model 24 rifles...ricasso marking would clear any doubt.
Thanks for the karma point Mart. Question: How does one give karma point??
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: Ipcress on August 30, 2013, 06:18:08 AM
Yes, it might be so...I'm Croatian and I've seen lots of these kinds here. Yugoslavians copied Czechs with the same bayonet for Model 24 rifles...ricasso marking would clear any doubt.
Thanks for the karma point Mart. Question: How does one give karma point??

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There are also Persian bayonets which looks similar, all having a different ' pommel ' to the German one -the German is parallel to the hilt guard whilst the Czech / Yugo and Persian variants are at an angle.
The German's also had more variations with their " saw back " and others.

This pic of a Polish bayonet shows the sloping pommel

(http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/military_photos/bayonets-trench-knifes-world/67965d1259941731t-polish-wz24-bayonet-000_4041.jpg)

This is the German hilt

(http://www.fieldserviceantiquearms.co.uk/ekmps/shops/lesadamsonaam/images/german-ww1-s84-98-mauser-knife-bayonet-1917-%5B3%5D-1351-p.jpg)
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: Rauville on August 30, 2013, 07:54:36 AM
And yet another one to compare it to:
http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identification_Guide/Venezuela/B1172_2/B1172-1.html (http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identification_Guide/Venezuela/B1172_2/B1172-1.html)

"Sword bayonet for use on the 7 mm. Saive Automatique, Fabrique Nationale (SAFN) Modèle 1949 self-loading rifle produced by FN for Venezuela in 1950. Approximately 8,000 SAFN rifles were made for Venezuela.
...The Venezuela M1924/49 bayonet is historically significant as the last sword bayonet adopted by a major army."

Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: Ipcress on August 30, 2013, 08:05:24 AM
Slimmer though, with a grease hole like the German one.

The Italian Carcano looks similar but has a full cross guard with quillon
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: mart on August 30, 2013, 08:18:26 AM
Karma points are just a sort of "thank you" for a good answer !! Look on the left under your ID !!  Sounded like our other experts agreed with you !!
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: padanova on August 30, 2013, 11:49:47 AM
Venezuelan FN1924/49 bayonets have a bigger muzzle ring hole and also have a small radius on the front edge thats not found on the Mauser bayonets.
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: bigwull on August 30, 2013, 12:02:25 PM
Karma points are just a sort of "thank you" for a good answer !! Look on the left under your ID !!  Sounded like our other experts agreed with you !!
i think i,m needing my hearing tested.....i never heard a thing.....
Title: Re: Bayonet
Post by: mart on August 30, 2013, 01:50:39 PM
Karma points are just a sort of "thank you" for a good answer !! Look on the left under your ID !!  Sounded like our other experts agreed with you !!
i think i,m needing my hearing tested.....i never heard a thing.....

Like my eyes ???  You are always telling me I need new cheaters !! :D