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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: capot1948 on August 30, 2013, 02:50:08 PM
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Last group of what we found yesterday. These came from the Salado Antique Mall
First photo is a set of six Czech crystal champagne glasses I got for a steal
(http://www.antique-shop.com/home/chris/Antiques/DSC03943.JPG)
This is a bowl that was marked as 'Depression Glass' I can't confirm that since I have no idea what 'Depression Glass' looks like
(http://www.antique-shop.com/home/chris/Antiques/DSC03946.JPG)
There are some more antique stores there however for some reason they were closed on Thursday. I'll have to call and see what days they're open. I feel another trip there coming up in about a month or so.
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i think you,ll find the correct name for the Czech crystal....is Bohemian Crystal
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My mistake, you're right, the little sticker on them said Bohemia but it also had Czech on it. Either way, I think I got a good deal at $14.00
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$14 for the six glasses really was a steal.
I'm certainly no expert on glass, but that doesn't look like depression glass to me (shoot me down if I'm wrong). Is it pressed glass or cut glass or even crystal? it is hard to tell from the pics.
A while back I bid on a Lot because I was after two vintage Parker Fountain pens, the Lot included some silver spoons and a 'glass bowl', the glass bowl turned out to be 1920s and crystal, and I think that when I sold that on Ebay it virtually covered the cost of what I paid for the entire Lot.
You certainly seem to have had a good day out!
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Thanks, I'll have to take another look at the bowl after I've had more coffee and maybe see if I can get some close-up photos to post. I do know it's heavy. I know absolutely nothing about glass other than some of it is really pretty and some is pretty expensive.
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You're right, it is pretty, so if it turns out that it's not worth a fortune it's still a delightful piece.
Is Ironlord around?
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Here's a close-up of the bottom of the bowl when turned upside down. As I said, it was marked Depression Glass Bowl but I have no idea on glass.
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Beautiful stuff, you have good taste!
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It is lovely, but I still can't make out whether it is pressed or cut ... someone with a better pair of peepers than mine might be able to.
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Thanks Ghopper, my wife is the one with the taste I just have the card to pay for it with. ;D
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You have to go by feel on some of these !! It is not one of the depression era patterns that most people collect !! But it could have been made during that era !! My opinion is that its an American pattern glass from the American Brilliant Period or just ABP glass !! During that era cut glass was in fashion for the wealthy but was unaffordable for many middle income families !! As a result several glassmakers started making a heavier glass to look like the fancier cut glass but lower priced for the middle class !! Too many patterns for me but Wendy might know !! It is a collectable catagory on its own !! Wendy will correct me if I am wrong !!
If it is ABP it likely would have been made before or very early into depression era !!
Now waiting on Wendy to correct me !! ;D
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Thanks Mart, glass is driving me crazy! There are so many books it seems like. Looks like I'll be hitting up Half-Price books pretty hard. Just need to find one type and stick with it for now.
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The American Cut Glass Assoc. has a website. They were very helpful when I had some questions. Very nice find!
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Cut glass has sharp crisp edges,,pressed or pattern glass will feel smooth !! I will say I have never seen that particular pattern in pressed glass !! But the top edge looks like pressed glass !! Have you checked for a signature/mark ?? They are often hidden or otherwise hard to find !! Start at the bottom and work up !!
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Still looking for a signature or mark Mart however I did find the seam where it's pressed together. Odd though that it doesn't seem to go across the bottom I can find it from the top on either side though and the rim is smooth. I'll find a good light and go over it again looking for marks.
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Bottom and top rim was likely polished away !! Side seams would not be as noticeable because of the pattern !!
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I'm not saying which it is, but they can be helpful in explaining differences in types of glass cut glass or pressed glass or which ever it could be.
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Here's a photo of the seam and using my magnifying glass finally found a mark. Does an 'A' and to the right of that what looks like maybe a 'C' or a circle that is almost closed and there appear to be some dots of glass on the 'C' mean anything? I've got a photo that I think shows it.
Seam
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Seam w/flash
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Chris
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I'm really getting confused now. I've been looking today to try and find out what the 'A' and 'C' or 'G' mean on this plate. Can't find it anywhere. Now I'm also getting confused while trying to look up EAPG, is it Early American Pattern Glass or Early American Pressed Glass? Is what I have either one of these? I also read on some site that EAPG will glow in the dark under black light, I thought that was 'Vaseline' glass that did that. This is too much for an old man.
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EAPG is what I was talking about !! Just a fancier name !! American pattern glass searches get the same results !! I just like to simplify things !! Less typing that way !! If Wendy ever comes on she may know the pattern !!
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Thanks Mart, that's what I thought but I had to make sure.
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All the same so don`t worry !! Will say this,, when searching for something try each name and any variations you might think of !! Because someone else might have it listed in a different way !!
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I'm back, went to Salado again today, but not to shop. The debit for our purchases hasn't shown up at our bank after a week and wanted to see if they might know why. Of course while there we found some things that were 1/2 price that we had to buy, I'll post later. Anyway, the reason I'm commenting on this thread is because of the bowl, again. I went to the EAPG Society website, paid my money and am still waiting for a username/password. In the meantime I went to their FB page and joined, that took over a day to get accepted. My first post there was the bowl. I posted photos of the drawing/rubbing of the mark we found on the bottom center of the bowl.
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According to them this is actually the mark, bottom row, 2nd from right.
(http://www.antique-shop.com/home/chris/Antiques/book15a.jpg)
I can't disagree because I'm a dummy on glass but my wife says no way is that the same mark. I showed her where they'd said it could be because of the mold being old or whatever but she says the picture they posted looks nothing like the one we have.
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When I first looked at this bowl I thought it might be Imperial but since I can`t see the mark on the glass in the pics,, couldn`t tell !! If Wendy ever shows up,, I am going to make a point to PM her and get her to look !! If you see her name,, you do the same !! Hard to do anything from pics !! Rather than buy all those books,, I have some links for glass ware you can put on your desktop !! Easier to me since I get sleepy when I read !!
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Thanks Mart, when you get a chance can you PM them or if you'd rather email I'll PM you my email address. No hurry whenever it's convenient for you. The folks over at the EAPG FB page have come to the conclusion that the mark on the bowl is the 2nd one from the right in the bottom row. My wife and I tend to disagree with them but I don't want to get into an argument with anyone since I know absolutely nothing, just what I can see.
(http://www.antique-shop.com/home/chris/Antiques/book15a.jpg)
I'll keep a lookout for Wendy. BTW, I've sent photos of that 'Persian' decanter to a glass manufacturer in the Czech Republic and he's doing some more checking but from what he says it's Bohemian. I'll let you know the final outcome.
Chris
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I will send those links tomorrow !! I don`t think that right either just from what you drew !! Sometimes its best just to do your own research !!
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Mart, my wife had an idea on how to maybe get a better photo of the mark. She's a painter and has lots of small brushes. She's thinking that if we went over the mark with some acrylic paint that it would make it very easy to get a photo and the paint is water soluble so would wash right off. What do you think?
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I have tried many things to get marks, but it's still difficult to see. It's worth trying. You could take paper and pencil and lay the paper on the mark and lightly go over the mark too and see if that works.
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Mart, my wife had an idea on how to maybe get a better photo of the mark. She's a painter and has lots of small brushes. She's thinking that if we went over the mark with some acrylic paint that it would make it very easy to get a photo and the paint is water soluble so would wash right off. What do you think?
Won`t hurt to try it !! I have done the same on occasion !! I just cover the whole think then wipe off the top/highpoints with a Q-Tip !!
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Got it Mart, will post results later.
Chris
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The acrylic paint didn't work too well so I dug out my lighted magnifying glass and lo and behold you could see almost the complete mark on the bowl. Except for some of the 'G' missing and the line that goes through the 'G' it's the same as the one on the below photo, 2nd row, 2nd in from the right.
(http://www.antique-shop.com/home/chris/Antiques/book15a.jpg)
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The 1982 mark ??
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Yes, that's it. You can barely see the line that goes through the 'G' but it's there and the 'V' and dot at the top are there but really faint. I've gone one step further now and posted the bowl at the Imperial Glass Museum's Facebook page and asked for the pattern name.
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Think I have everything now on the bowl, here's a reply I got from the National Imperial Glass Museum:
"Daisy and Button. Not to be confused with a popular pattern of the same name, made by many makers. Is this the mark you mentioned? If so then that would be when Arthor Lorch took over the company and operated it from 1981- 82. Before then Lenox owned the company from 1971- 81 and the mark would be the same minus the A"
So I made a note of that so we won't forget. Looks like it's all solved and when my books come in maybe I'll be a bit smarter.
Chris
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http://www.suziemax.com/Glass-Identification.html
Running late on those links !! This should help you on Depression era glass !! Q&A`s will take you a while but has ID pages too !!
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http://www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/markt-z.htm
Here is another that might be useful !!
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http://glassloversglassdatabase.com/folders/PatternIndex.html
And another !! This should keep you busy a while !!
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http://www.marysglass.com/index.php?pg=2
This one can be useful if you know what you are looking for !!
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More Bedtime reading ..... !! Youll never get up again!! ;)
Well found mart!