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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: artx on September 01, 2013, 04:43:15 AM
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hi i got this mark on a pocket watch.
so there is 14K and "j"
is this 14k SOLID GOLD , OR goldfild?
thanks.
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HERE 2 other pics of the watch.
the company of the watch is: Chronometre-Tegra
and the watch weigh 59.6 GR
thanks.
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Hi Artx,
Judging by the mark the case it looks to be solid 14K gold (58.5% gold). If you wanted to calculate the scrap value of the gold you would need to weigh the case without the workings and the glass. However, there is probably more value in the piece as a whole. It is difficult to make out all the markings on the case, but one forum that you might want to try is the watch & clock forum http://www.nawcc.org/
They will probably also ask for clearer pics of the case and also the mechanism, and may be able to tell you everything you need to know.
Good luck
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Found this and the 8th watch down seems to be very similar to yours
http://watch-auctions.com/model/no-model/0?page=2062&keep_filters=1
If we can find out how much Fellows sold it for then it might help you.
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Found this, but it only shows the estimate and not the hammer price
http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/fellows-and-sons/catalogue-id-2801704/lot-9861050
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They sold it for £380 but it was in better condition than Artx's, but also at a time when gold prices were slightly lower.
Think today this should be going for £400-450
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thank you all for ur really good help :)
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Hi Artx,
I would still show it on the watch forum, get as much info as you can on the actual watch mechanism, you never know it may add $ if you decide to sell it.
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HI i did not find the correct area in the forum to ask it.
can u give me please link to the correct forum ?
thanks.
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This will take you to the right set of forums, and I would perhaps post under European Pocket Watches?
http://mb.nawcc.org/forumdisplay.php?297-Watches
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well i don't really know where this copmpany is from.
thanks you
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Good Luck with it ;)
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well i don't really know where this copmpany is from.
thanks you
Hi,
If you can get this translated it'll probably tell you everything you need to know:
Hallo Kurt,
die Marke Chronomètre Tegra stammt von Tschuy Freres / Tegra Watch aus Grenchen in der Schweiz. Die Firma hatte anscheinend auch eine Niederlassung in London. Die Marken Tegra, Justa und Undinis wurde 1939 registriert. Die Firma selbst existierte seit mindestens 1920 und mindestens bis 1951.
Die Punze ist der Feingehaltstempel: 14 Karat Gold = 56 Solotniki Gold = 585er Gold
Da die Uhr weder ein "Swiss Made" noch einen Schweizer Kontrollstempel für Gold aufweist, dürfte sie eher nicht in der Schweiz entstanden sein.
Wenn du den inneren Deckel auch noch öffnest und ein Bild des Uhrwerkes hier einstellst, könnte dies vielleicht weitere Informationen zur Uhr liefern.
Gruß
Badener
Came from http://uhrforum.de/tegra-chronometre-aus-1910-1920-a-t127484
and I think I can understand enough to make out that it's a Swiss movement (but don't quote me!) ;)
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http://nyeandcompany.com/auctions/107/tegra-chronometer-gold-pocket-watch-n9dn-2303521.html (http://nyeandcompany.com/auctions/107/tegra-chronometer-gold-pocket-watch-n9dn-2303521.html)
2 years ago. Less gold but more decorative.
One yours - is the glass dirty or is it the face ?
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is the face dirty.
or maybe is the org color :)
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1 more Q, is about this watch: Pocket watch by Longines, 1885 approx, separate seconds hand, i can buy it for :150$.
do u think is worth it?
thanks.
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Really need to see the inside of this, Art
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YEP truth but i took this pics from the store site.
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All Longines have a serial number, which will enable you to date the watch.
As Ipcress says, it's important to see the inside
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I will ask them to send me pic of the inside.
thanks.
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hi here the pic of the inside of the watch.
hope it will help.
thanks.
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$150 sounds good !
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I would buy it !! Just checked at NAWCC and the Gold Medal was awarded at (I think) Paris Exposition 1878,, but this watch may have been made much later than that,,,1889 or after since the trademark used wasn`t registered before then (hour glass was used but winged hourglass was reg. 1889) !! If you can find the serial number you can use that to date it !! Nice watch and several experts at NAWCC thought highly of them so pretty good buy !!
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Is there a serial number on the inside of the case?
It does look like a nice watch, and I love Longines ... I have a 1974 Conquest, very understated and very reliable.
There are two for sale here, from $249 to $110, but the second probably has a low tag for the general state of the piece (but neither have any bids yet). The one you're looking at seems to be a nice example.
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/1878-pocket-watch
Look at the pics and you'll see the Longines serial number on the inside of the back case, yours should also be there, from which you will be able to date it. See here...
http://www.thewatchguy.com/pages/LONGINESSERIAL.html
or here...
http://www.vintagewatchresources.com/year_identifier.php
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here some more pocket watch that has been sold:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=longines+pocket+watch&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_okw=&_oexkw=&_adv=1&LH_Sold=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=50&LH_Complete=1
how much do u think i can sell this watch?
thank you all so much.
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Spending $150 in the hope of selling it straight away for a profit might not be easily realised, bear in mind if you sold on ebay then you'd have to resell it for $170 just to break even. Pocket watches, even Longines, are not as much in demand as Longines wristwatches.... but condition is all important, and that one does look nice (but impossible to say anything for certain from the pics). You also have to be assured that it is working perfectly, if not then (here where I am and from a very friendly, inexpensive, old style watch repairer), it would be another $40 + for a service. If you can guarantee it has recently been serviced then people will pay a little more $ for peace of mind.
I presume the case is silver, and if I bought it I'd be interested in inspecting the decoration. I would then decide on a good price and stick to it. It isn't something that you'd want to start at 0.99c
If you are still thinking of buying it, ask them for a photo of the inside of the case. also a better one of the outer case
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If ebay is what you have in mind,, its a crap shoot any way you go !! You just never know who will be shopping for one !! The listings looked favorable on your link but what do you need as profit margin ??
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well i think i can sell it at least for 250$
if the watch will work good.
just to let u know, not long ago i bought at auction in ebay an old english silver pocket watch for 30$ include shipping and i just sell it before a week ago for 80$ not a much profit but still i earned some $.
BTW: mariok54 are u repairer an old pocket watch? if so maybe i will ship to u.
i just gonna call the store to ask them if the watch is working well.
thank you all for ur helping :)
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I presume the case is silver, and if I bought it I'd be interested in inspecting the decoration. I would then decide on a good price and stick to it. It isn't something that you'd want to start at 0.99c
If you are still thinking of buying it, ask them for a photo of the inside of the case. also a better one of the outer case
well yes the case is silver,and about the decoration (the bird i almost sure is solid gold,sure i will check it).
thanks.
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well i think i can sell it at least for 250$
if the watch will work good.
just to let u know, not long ago i bought at auction in ebay an old english silver pocket watch for 30$ include shipping and i just sell it before a week ago for 80$ not a much profit but still i earned some $.
BTW: mariok54 are u repairer an old pocket watch? if so maybe i will ship to u.
i just gonna call the store to ask them if the watch is working well.
thank you all for ur helping :)
Hi Artx,
With that quality of watch I would expect the decor to be gold, which would be a bonus.
No, I don't repair watches, I often use a watch and clock repairer who takes great pride in his work and could charge twice as much and still be inexpensive.
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I think it should do $250. pretty easily !!
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well i call the store and they told me this watch it not run well is run and stop run and stop,etc.
so if i will repair it,how much do u think this watch run well full repair would be worth?
now after they told me this watch sometime run and sometime not i am not sure if to buy it for 150$
also there is no any mark for silver on the case,but in this watch company they do put any silver mark?
thank you all very much.
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Do not buy if if it does not run !! If runs and stops may just need cleaning but that's a chance you can take or not !! You might offer $75. and take a chance on it !! That gives you a little clearance for a cleaning !!
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That is sound advice from mart, and certainly worth a try.
Many watches will run for a short while if you give them a shake, but it could be that it just needs a good clean and service.
Hallmarks come in many different forms ...for example it could just be stamped .800. This site will show you just how many different marks there can be.
For a Longines watch of that era, I would be very surprised to find it in a steel case.
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I certainly think its worth a shot !! Its a nice watch !!
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ok guys i think i will buy it. when i will receive the watch i will Upload a better pictures.
soon there is large sale for real hand watch like cartier,Breitling,and etc, soon i will post here some pictures.
i think i will do some money on this watch.
thanks.
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well i call the store and they told me this watch it not run well is run and stop run and stop,etc.
so if i will repair it,how much do u think this watch run well full repair would be worth?
now after they told me this watch sometime run and sometime not i am not sure if to buy it for 150$
also there is no any mark for silver on the case,but in this watch company they do put any silver mark?
thank you all very much.
Don't buy it.
If no part of the case has Longines or a good hallmark on then it's value decreases. That's before you tackle the movement.
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I thought it had Longines on the case ?? If not its still worth $75. but that's all I would offer !! If he doesn`t take that let the seller pay for any repair before buying it !!
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I thought it had Longines on the case ?? If not its still worth $75. but that's all I would offer !! If he doesn`t take that let the seller pay for any repair before buying it !!
You are right mark, the face was clearly marked Longines, and so was the mechanism. I would be very surprised if it is not silver, but the all important photo of the inside of the back case is missing! I would say that would tell us a lot.
The people selling it obviously aren't repairers otherwise they'd probably have resolved the start stop issue. I doubt they'd have it serviced, and I'm of the opinion that they are saying that the $150 price tag reflects the fact that it is a/f
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I thought it had Longines on the case ?? If not its still worth $75. but that's all I would offer !! If he doesn`t take that let the seller pay for any repair before buying it !!
The inner cover usually has the Longines mark on it. And i've expect a hallmark on this type of case, especially with the gold inlay.
Could be they don't know too much about watches and have just browsed Ebay for an average price.
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I thought it had Longines on the case ?? If not its still worth $75. but that's all I would offer !! If he doesn`t take that let the seller pay for any repair before buying it !!
The inner cover usually has the Longines mark on it. And i've expect a hallmark on this type of case, especially with the gold inlay.
Could be they don't know too much about watches and have just browsed Ebay for an average price.
Hi Ipcress, 'Longines' is clearly marked in two places, all we are missing is the serial number and any silver mark which would appear on the inner case.
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I know it's clearly marked in two places on the watch, but the cases are also usually marked
It may have been " re-housed ".
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I know it's clearly marked in two places on the watch, but the cases are also usually marked
It may have been " re-housed ".
Indeed, that's why I've been urging Artx to get photos of the inside of case .... fingers crossed, if it's all original then it might be a nice find for him.
And if it were to be all original then I'd buy it for $150, but I do have a friendly watch repairer.
It'll be interesting to see where this goes.
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I would still make the case to the seller and offer $75.
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I would still make the case to the seller and offer $75.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I probably would as well, but they may throw it at you that the price reflects the a/f condition. Ideally they's meet somewhere halfway, $110 ... but if I could get a look inside that case and it was all original, then I'd probably still happily pay the $150 .. but then again, I wouldn't be buying to sell ;)
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hi all,well i will still think if to buy it or not.
my last Q about this watch is if all the part is original,and as i told this watch not run well now,so in this condition again if all the part are original do u think i can still make some money if i would buy it for 150$ how much do u think this watch are worth now ?
and if the watch will run well how much do u think i can sell it?
i can't buy it less than 150.
btw if u look on the mechanism pic u can see that it says 1878.
i almost sure all that the case is original and i get the feeling that i need to buy it. :)
i will call to the store to ask if there any serial NO, what more info do u think i need to ask for?
thank you all so much for helping.
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Hi Artx,
You want to see the inside of the back case. That is where the Longines serial number will probably be found, and that will enable you to date it exactly. It will also tell you if the case is original to the watch. It will hopefully tell you whether the case is silver, or not.
What you probably won't be able to confirm is whether the dec is gold, as many watches of that period were decorated with gold, but without any markings to that effect.
As I mentioned earlier, I'd probably happily pay $150 for it it if it were all OK, but I would buy it at that price to keep, and not sell on.
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1878 is the date of the Paris Exposition where the Gold Medal certificate was awarded !! Not the date of manufacture which was likely much later !!
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Agreed, Mart. Looking at the movement closely, i'd say it was more recent than one might think - case appears older.
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I still think that the watch is contemporary with the case ... Artx, I gave you a link, a while back, to the NAWCC and suggested you seek their opinion, they really do know a lot about Longines watches. Take a look at this thread which is about a watch with the same Gold Medal stamp, it is very interesting. If you do buy the watch, take some clear shots of it and post there.
http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?94100-Longines-pocket-watch-early-movement
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mariok54
yes i just signed up to the forum u gave me and i asked there.
thanks a lot.
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I think you will get a quick response from there ... let us know what you find out
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for now they just told me i should pay fee to ask what this watch worth :)
i asked them about the case,i will let u know what they told.
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I think a hunter pocket watch of this type ( anywhere from 1885 - 1910 ) would be hallmarked. The seller says it isn't. Suggests to me a cheaper watch and i'm not sure then the Longines movement came with the watch.
You can see tiny scratch marks round the screws, and someone has been using a knife or similar to open the case
The more they've shown and told us about the watch, the less valuable it's become
I have seen those old style cases but made as steel or plated repros
i'd like to see pics of the case interior and the back
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for now they just told me i should pay fee to ask what this watch worth :)
i asked them about the case,i will let u know what they told.
Hi Artx,
I'm not suggesting that you should be dishonest and lie, but maybe you are being a little too honest in focusing on the value of the watch, that might make people think that they are being used. With just the pictures and asking their opinion about whether they think the watch is all original you might have got a bit more info, but you really would have needed a shot of the inside of the case.
As a buy to 'keep and use', if it is original, then it seems fine at that price, but as I mentioned a few days back, if you are intent on re-selling for a profit then you are taking a big gamble.
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I would not buy it at the sellers price !! Too many "if`s" !!! I would just make an offer of $75. and if he says no then let him have it for lunch and walk away !! Sometimes its better to just pick up your marbles and go home !!
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yea i think u are correct mart.
anyway i asked for 1 more pic from the inside case than we will see.
if there no any mark i will not buy it.
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I think that is a wise decision !! But you still have to think about repair costs !! If you pay $150. and repair costs $50. or more,, that is barely break-even !! You have no guarantee of what it will sell for !!
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mart is talking sense, and to quote a wise sage 'don't be afraid to pick up your marbles and go home' .. you can always play another day
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yes i agree with u both.
u all helped me a lot in this long decision.
thanks.